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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2008-09-14 02:50 pm
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Cheery Littlebottom?

See, the other reason I always was terrified by fought shy of Chinese is because its common hanzi include any number of characters that are as far from daily use Japanese ones as a character can get, largely because Japanese expresses equivalent ideas in kana alone. (Like 'this' and 'that.') Just from the first hundred of The most common 3000 characters we have 你, 她, 此, 那, 之, 已, 些, 從, and of course 而.

That last one turns up as an element in many compounds, but it's disconcerting to find it alone. Read ji, ni, shikashite, shikamo, nanji etc. You get it at level 1 of the JLPT, or you did in my day. Means 'then, and, but' in ordinary Chinese and a high-falutin' version of same in Japanese. Since it took me a while to get to level 1, for kanji memorization purposes I'd always thought of it as a rake, 'cause that's what it looks like. (Maybe. I think I first remembered it as umbrella, that being what you require when it rains: 需.)

Mr. Karlgren informs me its very oldest meaning, maybe from the oracle bones themselves, was 'beard.' He also tells me there's a hanzi that means 'play, sport'- 耍, which is 而 + 女, a woman wearing a beard. Cosplay, obviously, as preserved in the language since at least 200 BC.

Do I have a geek tag? I think I need one.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2008-09-14 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
oooh thank you for that link it's wonderful.


Ahahaha ... and the idea that cosplay has been around for thousands of years pleases me much ...I'm not really sure why even.

*waves good morning*

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
That's one cool book you've found.

The kids have found a game for the Nintendo DS called "My Chinese Coach" which teaches pinyin and simplified hanzi and Mandarin. It's quite entertaining and also good practice, especially for vocabulary. I've placed the Japanese one on order for the little one, we think it will help her with vocabulary and her 3rd year class.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 12:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That's beyond cool!

Cheery Littlebottom yes

[identity profile] mauvecloud.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 06:03 pm (UTC)(link)
Given enough time and perseverance, you will find the one, okay, two kanji to represent that name too. Maybe something like: Cheery = cherry, littlebottom = i dunno, anything with the appropriate radicals (small, bottom or end or butt)

Re: Cheery Littlebottom yes

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-09-15 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Three. 桜小尻. This makes her name Sakura, you realize? Sakura Kojiri.

But there's the perfect pun name, if you're doing Japanese. Call her 桜鐺, Cherry Kojiri. A kojiri is part of a sword's sheath; for added points, in Chinese it appears to mean 'the sound of metal.'