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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2008-04-21 06:31 pm
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Lan Yu

So finally saw Lan Yu, the afternoon it was due back because I drag my feet about watching things. And yes, very nice. Hu Jun does look better without the fungus (even if Uncle Ming looks better with) and if that's the way China does manly men, I approve of China's standards. No Fu Chai dorkiness here. Of course, if Hu Jun were Japanese he'd be playing yakuza- his is the kind of face archetypal yakuza have there- with a punch perm, and my visual instincts kept insisting that he was a low-life yakuza even if he clearly wasn't supposed to be. (Couldn't keep his family and friends straight. Subtitles probably, though they weren't bad.) Liu Ye is also beautiful, so yes, fun all round.

Guys, guys, guys. Dead Faggot Syndrome doesn't play well any more. No truly, it doesn't. Specially when, as here, it's a totally arbitrary case of Dead Faggot Syndrome. I'm sure China has slightly different reasons for doing DFS than the States; no doubt here it's supposed to demonstrate the complete emotional committment Hu Jun's character has finally come round to having; but that, to me, quintessentially Japanese sentiment, 'I feel you're always beside me,' cuts little ice among roundeyes, who are apt to murmur 'and now there's nothing to stop him from catting around with other guys either.' Have cake and eat.

A low-key ordinary happi endo would have done just fine. No anticlimax at all. A happi endo for characters who traditionally aren't allowed happy endings is quite revolutionary enough.


Otherwise- I'm sure if it were snowing here as it is in Alberta I'd be hopping mad, having rescheduled the surgery precisely so I *wouldn't* have to be shovelling snow after it. (And ohh what a wise move that proved to be in the event.) Nonetheless a little cooler than these highs of 20 and 22 (high 60's, low 70's) would be appreciated. It feels all wrong when cherries bloom here at the same time they do in northern Japan, since they normally do it in early May.

And strike is off, stitch is pulled, thorn is removed from side. Only one front incision still grabs and pains now, and probably will for a while yet.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2008-04-21 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Sounds like something I definitely need to watch!

Great news on there remaining only one! Did you get some time off work or are you ready to go back already? ^__^

Hmm I hope you don't end up having to shovel snow!

It's been really muggy out here, and the one shot heavy torrential downpours are unseasonal. ( I mean we get rain anyways all year round but they are noticeably different sorts of rain.)

And then it stays humid aaarggghhh! Tooo hot! Glad its cool I love to have 20 degree weather! ^__^

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I'm very much off work. 'No lifting for a month' and that was before they punched holes through my ribs. And hating it.

Whenever I think LRD sounds keen, I remember your weather.
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[identity profile] summer-queen.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
I enjoyed Lan Yu immensely ... except for the reason you state, which all but ruins it for me because it's so arbitrary and random and utterly pointless tacked onto an otherwise lovely movie.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Online novel, as [livejournal.com profile] rasetsunyo says. The twist makes sense in (simplistic) classic plot terms; something has to *happen* to provide a close. Film doesn't work like that (and neither does much prose) but I suppose it was their way out.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I hated the ending, I thought it was amateurish and unnecessary. Of course the movie was based on an online novel but still. (it was not a very good online novel imo anyway.)

Yay stitch removal!

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
What got me was that the film had been so deliberately low-key in its handling of really quite major stuff- OMG arrested/ in jail/ and wasn't there a mention of the detah penalty? and the whole dissolution of the marriage happened where you didn't see it at all. And then, WHAM, soap opera time.

Still- I'm impressed that a major actor could do a role like that without huge fallout. You couldn't do that in NAmerica- *could not*. And I always thought China as puritanical as America. Just in different ways, I suppose. (Fearless Leader, who hails from Taiwan, had a spiel about how the East generally has no difficulty keeping fantasy and reality separate: You can think whatever you want, we'll only pound you if you act on it. The west assumes a connection: if you read about incest that means you must want to screw your relatives; if you play a gay man that means you must be somehow gay.)

[identity profile] feliciter.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 08:01 am (UTC)(link)
Re: stitches, I trust you're much more comfortable now ^_^

I found Lan Yu's ending a bit tacked on, but was apparently faithful to the source. Perhaps they felt at the time that it was appropriate to the "liberalizing" (shudder) gay scene in China.

Wong Kar-Wai's Happy Together (1997) is a better movie.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 01:41 pm (UTC)(link)
the "liberalizing" (shudder) gay scene in China.

See, this is where I go Buh. DFS is a step backward here. Hollywood has no problem showing gay people so long as they end up sick, alone, dead, or all three.

Thanks for the rec. Shall get it when I've finished Farewell My Concubine and Green Snake, which is this week's haul.

[identity profile] feliciter.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 02:01 pm (UTC)(link)
DFS is a step backward here

I suppose the filmmakers thought it was a compromise to show an explicit gay relationship without camp and not played for laughs, but with the DFS to show the powers-that-be that they were on the "right"(?) side after all.

Farewell My Concubine portrayed the dynamics of the het-gay triangle very well and acting was excellent all around, but one can see the ending coming (not necessarily a bad thing, since it was perversely satisfying to me). I didn't watch Green Snake, which must try to remedy.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2008-04-22 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I found Happy Together depressing and repulsive to the point of being nearly unable to finish it. Which means it's probably a very good movie.

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 01:40 am (UTC)(link)
See, the thing is, the movie was a gay Hong Kong film maker's take on a three-hanky grand romantic Chinese BL tragedy. Later it emerged that the writer was actually a gay man, but trying his hand at BL rather than gay lit. So there's more than one disconnect here. I think the ending made a little more sense in the novel, just because it was so obviously meant to be a tragic opera, and someone just HAD to die. But of course when played by real people and not anime characters it comes across as DFS.

Hu Jun is so totally a yakuza. Now you've put the image in my mind I'll never be able to get it out.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-24 03:27 am (UTC)(link)
a gay Hong Kong film maker's take on a three-hanky grand romantic Chinese BL tragedy

Turned into a low key slice of life drama. OK, /huge/ disconnect there.

Hu Jun is so totally a yakuza

He must have done roles where he isn't seedy at all? Historicals aside...

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-04-25 01:18 am (UTC)(link)
Where he is not seedy at all? Ahmm, can't think of any, though of course I'm not a great fan or anything, and haven't seen a lot of his stuff. The other historical he was in he played Xiao Feng, who was a Song dynasty yakuza leader if there ever was one.

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-04-25 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Also all Beijing actors are seedy to some degree. Ge Yu is seedier in his own way. Chen Dao Ming is not. That's because he's from Tianjing.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-27 10:31 pm (UTC)(link)
all Beijing actors are seedy to some degree.

Why? I thought they'd be the Chinese version of Parisians. "It's the capital, d'oh."

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-05-06 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Ahhm, no. That would be the delicate Southern gentleman from the Yangtze region. Cultured and refined. Men from Beijing are cultured louts, a combination that's quite unknown in the west. They should be comfortable squatting on the side of the road and slurping down a bowl of offal stew, and also be able to converse intelligently on any topic imaginable and be vastly entertaining in company. They should also preferably be a little eccentric.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-05-06 02:22 am (UTC)(link)
Men from Beijing are cultured louts, a combination that's quite unknown in the west.

You're absolutely right about that. Educated and informed louts, and witty with it? Maybe the brawling bravos of the Renaissance came close, but they were slumming aristocrats.

[identity profile] shalimar1001.livejournal.com 2008-04-26 04:23 am (UTC)(link)
I like the novel much better.
Whenever watching the movie, I felt so uneasy that never able to finish it. Typically not because of Hu Jun, he is very masculine (I want to say that he is very sexy..blush..). But Liu Ye, the player of Lan Yu. The author of the novel made his opinion clear that he does not like the role of Lan Yu to be played by Liu.
Liu, he is so far away from my impression set for Lan Yu when reading the novel.

Green Snake is one of my favourites. Joey Wong and Maggie are very gorgeous inside. Hsui Hark is a very successful director of blockbuster movies. He also possesses a delicious artistic sense. His rendering of old Chinese tales and Wuxia novels are legendary independent of the originals.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-04-27 10:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Umm. Joey Wong yes, I'd say, Maggie Cheung no, or not here. That wedge-shaped face of hers is just... too.. **appropriate** for a snake. Gave me the fantods. And then she snaps up flies...