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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2008-01-08 02:59 pm
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Random Woxin observation: "For now we see as through a glass, darkly"

I still don't know who half these guys are, and I don't want to disenable my firewall to see if the Taiwanese webpage will tell me, but I have much love for the smooth-faced Yue ambassador, if that's what he is, who's always so blandly snotty to the gate-besieging second prince of Wu, if that's who *he* is. Always supposing that the maybe-ambassador actually *is* being blandly snotty in the Chinese. God why do I even bother...?

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
That is who they are and that his what he is doing. :D

I still don't know who half these guys are

Hahaha you're not the only one, I had a lot of trouble with the civil officials too.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 01:09 pm (UTC)(link)
And there's still all of Wu to look at oh woe.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Done (http://rasetsunyo.livejournal.com/76580.html). Compared to Yue there really aren't that many who are important enough to be named.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 02:10 pm (UTC)(link)
Many thanks!

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 05:44 am (UTC)(link)
The 2nd Taiwan page names are in a table and are

He2 Lu2 Yun3 Chang2
Wu3 Zi3 Xu Shu2 Mai3
Bo2 Pi3 Wen2 Zhong3
Wang3 Zi3 Lei4 Fu2 Tong2
Gong Sun Xiong2 Ling2 Gu Fu2

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 01:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks. Maybe the table didn't come? Cause even in the email the names in part 2 weren't registering in hanzi.

[livejournal.com profile] rasetsunyo has screencaps in her lj with info about the other minor Yue officials.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 05:46 am (UTC)(link)
Do you know the proverb that this story goes with?

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
The sleeping on sticks and drinking bile one? Yes, though not in any Moral Education context. Just that Gou Jiang did.

[identity profile] feliciter.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 10:15 am (UTC)(link)
the maybe-ambassador actually *is* being blandly snotty in the Chinese

That he is, indeed. I'm up to the end of ep 4 where Fu Chai is brandishing the sword of Gryffindor before his brother's tent.
Keep getting the Yue officials mixed up, except for Shi Mai. At this point I have resorted to mentally labelling them "snarky ambassador" (Ye Yong), "brother of old Emperor's concubine" (Fu Tong(?)), and "others".

I hope you have gotten over the flu completely!

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 01:08 pm (UTC)(link)
To make matters worse, I had Shi Mai confused at first with one of the Wu officials, the nice-looking one Fu Chai gets the seal(?) from. 'Gee, why is the Field Marshal so wibbley all of a sudden? Oh yeah- because we're in *Yue* and the other guy was in *Wu*.'

Yeah, Gryffindor. I wait for the later eps with its riff on When Gryffindors Go Bad. (They're still no match for advisers from Chu Slytherins.)

Quite recovered, thank you.

[identity profile] feliciter.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks to [livejournal.com profile] rasetsunyo's user-friendly table, the depressingly similar hairstyles and moustaches are less confusing.

Happy Birthday! hope it was a good one ^_^

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-09 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh good. It's not just me sees certain similarities. (It's not that they really look alike. But park guys behind beards and moustaches and use low lighting and they do tend to become confusable.)

Birthday has barely begun, since it's only mid-morning here. But began nicely before dawn with a cold front blowing through and turning the depressing wet mild grey of the last three days into, um well, bright winter grey, let's say. Truly, it's an improvement.

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-01-10 12:51 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, Bo Pi, in spite of the unfortunate transliteration into English, eventually turns out into one of the most interesting character in the series. Opposite of Wu Zi Xu in every way, but somehow I find him much more sympathetic.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-10 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
One is disposed to like Bo Pi just from his face and mannerisms. Although to be honest, if I were going just on face and mannerisms, I'd trust Wu Zi Xu a long way before I'd trust Si Mai- trust him to do the most useful intelligent thing as chief minister of Wu, that is, not trust *him*.

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2008-01-10 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
You're absolutely right on Wu Zi Xu too and Shi Mai as well. Shi Mai's loyalty is a hindrance more often than not. It's an old retainer's loyalty, but Wu Zi Xu sees quite clearly. It's just that personality-wise he's really quite scary.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-01-10 04:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Shi Mai's loyalty is a hindrance more often than not.

Ahh. Did wonder. The subs have him saying 'I dare not' all the time, which I assumed had about as much real force as the Japanese osore nagara 恐れながら (Shi Mai goes down a lot better if I think of him speaking respect Japanese.) But Wu Zi Xu never says anything remotely like 恐れながら. It's all Here's what we do.