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[flemmings]

I have been reading metafandom and I have been reading fandom_wank and now I want an icon that says "HP fandom: a plague on both all your houses." I can't believe someone hasn't made one of those yet.

Anyone wants me I'll be in this corner writing dragon smut. And for every major wank I shall add yet another sex scene. The sorry state of fandom is indicated by the fact that there are now three lengthy sexual encounters in a story that began life as irreproachable gen. I may take them out because they're more or less gratuitous but then again, maybe I won't.

Only posting so I can use my pissed!Goujun icon. "I hope you assholes realize you've got *all* of Heaven against you now."




And in the midst of the chaos, happily a happy birthday to the effulgent luxetumbra.

Comments

[wildelamassu.livejournal.com]

That's rather brilliant. If no one icons it first, I know what I'm doing with my lunch break. XD

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Onegai dekiru kashira, if you do? (Why do I care? It's not my fandom. But not-my-fandom is everywhere these days, and usually found baying the moon when run across.)

[wildelamassu.livejournal.com]

I had far too much fun poking at this, really. Suggestions?

I stay as far away as I can from the lumbering HP fandom, unless those certain addictive Remus/Sirius writers are updating. Blargh.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Ohh how pretty! Thank you! May I gank?

I'd make the white-out and the 'all' come up a few seconds before they do. Fandom eyes only stop for a second when looking at icons and they might look away before realizing the text actually changes.

[tammylee.livejournal.com]

Ahahhahaha! Awesome icon idea.
I make a concious effort not to get drawn into fandoms.

[joasakura.livejournal.com]

yanno, once i stuck a toe in HP fandom, and it was promptly bitten off. only a quick retreat saved me from a lifetime of teetering around on 3" heels on one foot and a pegleg on the other. >.>;

I miss that toe.

[tammylee.livejournal.com]

ahahahah!
would you have to have a special, longer, peg leg for when you wore the 3" heels? XD You know, so you wouldn't be lopsided!

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Aaarh, matey. You just happened to hit a shark-infested patch. Sadness. (Details?)

the cliff-notes version. ^_^

[joasakura.livejournal.com]

meh, i had gotten involved with a Sirius/Remus group and made the utter tactical error of getting in the middle of a slash vs. yaoi discussion in the attempt to be the voice of reason and getting back to being able to read werewolf smut.

In the end, I got called a bunch of names, had my intelligence, talent and i believe my ancestry maligned, and fled as fast as i could from the group before i descended to their level.

and as fandom_wank oft proves, not exactly an isolated incident, that. ^.^;

Re: the cliff-notes version. ^_^

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Sadly, though you'd think Sirius/ Lupin people might be above the common run. But slash vs yaoi will lose you body parts in almost any forum I can think of. It's up there with consubstantial vs cosubstantial and nominalist vs realist as a flashpoint for invective, crusades and random burnings at the stake.

[kickinpants.livejournal.com]

Do you think HP is the worst of them all- by size and (lack of) sanity?

It's definitely easier to enjoy those books/movies if you stay out of the fan politics. ^^; Although it's educational about how out there people can be.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Do you think HP is the worst of them all- by size and (lack of) sanity?

Hard to say if it's the worst or just the loudest. There were nuclearly bitter fan wars in the old pre-Net days, that veterans would tell me about of a night, bragging of their scars; but if you weren't in that loop you never heard of them. Maybe some fandoms are still like that, hiding bloodthirsty vendettas from online snoops.

The size is the thing. HP is so huge you can be part of the fandom and never hear about the HP massacres. But the bigger anything is the more wackos it attracts and, well, see the wackos wacking. My own reaction to it all, aside from hormonally boosted despair for the human race, is The Man for All Seasons one: 'But for Wales, Richard?' All this fuss about the paper thin and quite unconvincing characters in Rowling? Shinjirarenai.

[takumashii.livejournal.com]

Thing is, given the paper thin and unconvincing characters, the fanwank has of late been more entertaining than the books themselves.

(If you're the kind of person who can be entertained by trainwreck-style fanwank, as I occasionally can be; it takes someone of a slightly immature frame of mind).

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

It takes a godlike detachment, I think is what it takes. I wish I could convince myself that the demented bad manners of a few fans doesn't reflect much on fandom in general and says nothing at all about the human race; but in the bleak midwinter I find that a bit of a tall order.

[takumashii.livejournal.com]

True; eight years of living in the Bible belt do give one a little amused detachment about horrible people.

[stormcloude]

I'm so very glad I never got into the HP fandom.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

There's room for a line about 'None of your HP sauce, my girl' addressed to certain of the uhh personages involved, but you'd have to be Brit to get it at all.

[joasakura.livejournal.com]

non-sequitor, I HAVE a bottle of HP sauce in my cupboard. ^__^

[mikeneko.livejournal.com]

Your icon . . . is freakily hypnotic. I've saved it to file so that I can stare at it late at night . . .

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

It's the eyes. I had to edit them in photoshop to make them show at the smaller size and it's made Goujun a bit psychotic. Shall work on them again tomorrow, because as you see from the larger illo Goujun in fact doesn't look at the people he's talking to. That's cause he's Japanese.

[shiny-monkey.livejournal.com]

Yet they complain that I stare at the heater or the desk or the ceiling or the wall when I'm talking to them. How interesting.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

If that's the Japanese staff then I'd like to know what they say exactly they're probably all Osakan refugees. Osakans are the only Japanese who look you in the eye when they talk to you. *I* don't look at people when I talk to them and I've still disconcerted more Japanese than I can count.

[shiny-monkey.livejournal.com]

It's three of the other gaijin and most of the Japanese. But only two of them come from anywhere really south (Kyushuu) and one from Shizuoka. Far's I know the rest of them are from Kantou.

[tekalynn.livejournal.com]

I've been thinking about both the current kerfuffle (what I've seen of it, which is fairly peripheral) and your reaction to it. My feeling is that everyone had valid points and that everyone badly overreacted and made idiots of themselves.

To me, HP fandom is like a never-ending family gathering, one of those ginormous families that have zillions of branches with ancient and inexplicable-to-outsiders rivalries and partnerships and grudges. I don't have the foggiest idea of what's going on in Harry/Hermione or Ron/Hermione or Harry/Ginny fandom, but I know they're huge. I don't even know what's going on in Harry/Draco fandom, and they're practically second cousins to my own branch. I'm just hiding with all the Snape/Harry fans under the table, and everyone else thinks we're psycho child molesters with greasy hair fetishes anyway.

But we're all still part of the same fandom, and like any family, we'll gang together and scratch out the eyes of HP naysayers.

[tekalynn.livejournal.com]

I should clarify what I mean by "HP naysayers". I don't mean you or anyone on this thread (good lord, I'm gonna start a fanwank all by myself if I'm not careful), but more the high priests of mainstream literature who don't think much of genre literature, think less of it when it's marketed for children, and think even less of it when it's embraced by adults.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

I'll join you against the high priests of mainstream literature, since in what I've seen of them at work there seems just as much behind the scenes wankiness going on as in fandom proper. It's not that people ship the wrong couples there; sometimes I feel it's that they went to the wrong universities or something equally batty. The current round of CS Lewis bashing will do as an example.

But it still makes me depressed about the state of the human race. '...and there is no such thing as an adult.' ^_^;;

[tekalynn.livejournal.com]

"I am shocked...SHOCKED to find Christian allusions in this storybook!"

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

"And when I finally did twig to the series' Christianity, in The Last Battle, I threw the book across the room."

Remember, it's the *worst* sort of Christianity too.

[tekalynn.livejournal.com]

What, the kind that invites Bacchus and dryads to the party because they bring all the best wine? Sacrilege!

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Periodically the tweedy 'good port, good pipe, and no women' brand of Inklings Christianity makes me raise my eyebrows, but it still has it all over the fundamentalist version.

I don't remember the Toynbee article well, but wasn't her point that Lewis' 'worst sort of' God-figure is all-mighty and powerful? Never met a Christian version of God that wasn't, myself, unless Unitarians count as Christians.

[tekalynn.livejournal.com]

I'd have to reread the article, but I had the impression that she's a militant atheist who doesn't like *any* depiction of God. Her right, of course.

1. She didn't like the "muscular Christianity" of a masculine lion.
2. She didn't like the idea of a merciful deity that would "forgive" people and turn them into "Stepford" characters.
3. She didn't like the idea of a redeemer figure, because we redeem ourselves (or don't) and shouldn't have to look to outside help.
4. I'm sure she had some other beef, but I don't remember what it would have been.

I thought she had some valid points, but was remarkably snippy in stating them. I liked the letter from a vicar who pointed out that it was a bit unreasonable of her to object to both "muscular Christianity" and an all-forgiving deity--logically she should dislike one or the other, but not diametric opposites.

*prays for HP wank*

[luxetumbra.livejournal.com]

Go HP Fandom, go!

And thank you for the birthday wishes! :D

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

(Hope it was a good one.)

Prays as in 'prays they grow some sense' or prays as in 'prays for rain'? If the latter-- tirez vos parapluies. It's pouring.

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[luxetumbra.livejournal.com]

The latter of course. HP wank is a dime a dozen. Dragon smut is a fine but rare fruit. :D

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Ah. It's late and I grow stupid. I will admit to spending the evening writing pointless passages of dragon incest, to the extent that this thing is beginning to resemble someone's description of Voltaire's La Pucelle: "Any time the action looks like it's about to actually get somewhere- a battle, a tournament, whatever- everyone drops what they're doing and goes and has sex.'

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[incandescens]

Better than "a dragon comes through the door with a gun." An entirely sort of story, that. Dragon Noir.

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

Dragon Noir sounds like it might be fun. In the right hands, of course. (*Has* anyone written that? IIRC they've done Noir elves and several other things.)

Re: *prays for HP wank*

[incandescens]

There have been a few novels based on the Shadowrun rpg setting, which is futuristic cyberpunk with elves/orks/trolls/etc noir, including dragons and magic. Dragons tend to be major figures who spend most of their time behind the scenes evolving incredibly complex plots. (Except for the one who ran for President, won the position, and then got blown up the same night, but that's another story.)

. . . you know, there should be better dragon noir than that. (Makes note.)

You could have done Dragon Noir with that Scales setting, to a degree.