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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2004-11-26 07:23 pm
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Stop and start time on the information highway. As usual for my broadband- it always slows down on weekends.

One of the things I did on Wednesday, besides bicycling around in pouring rain to get my new contacts, was get my flu shot. The first time I did that seven years ago it left me feeling vaguely nauseated for a weekend, but I've had no trouble with it since. This time- ay caramba.

I've never been as sick in my (recollected) life. Even the nastiest stomach flu leaves your head relatively operational. This time there were all those things I've read about but never had, because I don't usually run fevers even when sick. But the deep-bone chills, the oddly superficial-feeling flushes, the unmoving aches, the not asleep but not awake confusion when you drift off, the-- I don't know what they are, fever dreams or semi-hallucinations or what, but I can live without them happily. This was a voice or maybe two having an indistinct low discussion just out of the range of my hearing, about some cipher code involving letters and numbers and small pictures, and the sheet full of the letters and numbers was there too in front of my eyes; and they wouldn't stop. Any attempt to think of anything else, or nothing at all, turned into those voices in another room, like a radio, talk-talk-talking away. I can't describe the soul-killing weariness of it. There's no word for the way the world looks in certain stages of sick, the low-grade grey horror and soul-sickness and nothing of it, but I know it exists.

I couldn't get comfortable in bed- pillows too high or too low, beanbag warmers never in the right place, and I had to keep turning from side to side because my neck and shoulders were frozen rigid, but when I tried to turn all the warmers shifted and disappeared among pillows and sheets and the duvet got clumped about my legs and dragged at them and the futon's inert weight made me feel as if I was trying to turn about in quicksand. Finally I took the warm duvet and the beanbag pillow and went into the side bedroom, threw all the clothes and stuff onto the floor, and curled up on the bed there with its blessed springs letting me thrash about as much as I pleased.

I must have gone through a litre or so of water through the night and had to keep getting up to pee, which involved some odd turnings between my darkened room and my disoriented half-awake self. Woke with my back aching- the usual effect of sleeping on the side-room mattress- and four pounds lighter. So go me, I suppose.

[identity profile] shiny-monkey.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
That's what influenza does to you, and that's why I don't get a flu shot -- I don't have a tendency to catch it anyway, so don't want to risk catching it from the shot. I'm very sad to hear that yours was so bad, though; I wonder what strains they're "fighting" this year that would make you that sick this time over previous years' vaccines? That you're up and blogging is a good sign that you've gotten over at least the worst of it. Ganbatte ne.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
I do have a tendency to get sick during the winter months especially- though frankly a cold in January can't hold a candle to asthma in November. People whose Achilles' heel is in their lungs, just for a lovely image, are supposed to get immunized as a matter of course just in case the type should be one that involves a cough etc. I still get the flu, even with the shot, because of the hit and miss nature of the thing; and I've had ache flus as well, which are a nuisance; but nothing remotely like this. So I suppose the shots may screen me from getting anything but the mildest versions, for which I'm grateful.

[identity profile] shiny-monkey.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Which is exactly the job it's supposed to do, so go flu shot! (I'd do a pompon dance here, but I might cause a relapse)

[identity profile] kickinpants.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
The only bright side I can see to this is maybe (hopefully) this will avoid any future flu for the season. The news is using its favorite tool of fear right now to say that the Avarian flue in Asia "might" spread to humans and "might" turn into a "pandemic" to sweep the world. Yeesh.

I hope you feel better soon. ;;hugs;; Rest up, keep warm, and keep drinking those liquids.

[identity profile] shiny-monkey.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
The "bird flu" shows up in China and in other Asian nations just about annually (not always in large numbers, so it's not always known about), and every year they panic the people by saying that it might spread to humans and cause a world-wide pandemic. The media are a bunch of bums, I swear it.

[identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
They are a bunch of bums, but it's not just them being nervous anymore (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/07/magazine/07FLU.html?ex=1257570000&en=03e105e1ce5a804e&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland).

::worries::

Get well soon, J.

[identity profile] shiny-monkey.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 03:01 am (UTC)(link)
Well, I'll try to cut down on sucking the mucous and blood from the beaks of my fighting cocks, to reduce my chances of contracting it ^_^;; (that's the most disgusting bit of info I've ever read!!)

You'll note that Asian people who work with chickens in slaughterhouses/processing plants seem to be developing an immunity to the avian flu without ever contracting it; and most of the people who have contracted it have worked directly with birds who have died from the avian flu -- there's been no evidence of person-to-person contact. In the cases of people who seem to have contracted avian flu without direct contact with birds, it's likely that the flu virus was transmitted on contaminated belongings (in the right conditions the virus can live for days and possibly weeks), transmitted by bird migration, bird movement, movement of vehicles whose tires have been contaminated by driving over bird foeces...

So don't worry too much. Really.

[identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
''That was a risk factor for avian flu that we hadn't really considered before''

Thought you might like that bit. XD;;; That ProMED-mil blog (http://www.promedmail.org/pls/promed/f?p=2400:1000) is also a fun read in that "never want to leave my apartment again" sort of way.

It's not so much the flu that I'm worried about, it's the ensuing panic. The anthrax scare was bad enough and that only killed five people. And we missed out on the SARS panic by the skin of our teeth.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
(A good panic to miss out on. Plays hell with the economy.)

I'm only mildly reassured that you get avian flu only from contact with contaminated belongings. The general sweep-up post-SARS revealed how lax even hospital workers are about washing and sterilizing what they touch. I don't want to think about the general population's tendency to keep things and themselves clean. And the usual chronic 'what if--?' mentality- What if SARS spreads into the general population? What if avian flu leaps into another species? It's the anxious nittering that wears down the morale, and makes you wish you were born one of those demented positive types that never gets sick because they and reality have only a nodding acquaintance. (Knew someone like that. She went to India, drank the water wherever she was- 'Bottled stuff costs'-- and came back healthy as a horse.)
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
besides bicycling around in pouring rain to get my new contacts

Okay, yeah, I've been known to do that sort of thing because I AM NUTS. You, on the other paw, do not have that particular excuse. Don't you know -anyone- with a car?

The rest sounds like a bad drug trip, doesn't it? Is so strange how some people get sick as dogs from those flu shots, others don't. (Same with parents: Father, sick. Mother, not sick.)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 08:33 am (UTC)(link)
You forget that modern urban miracle, public transit. There's a perfectly good subway that gets me there just as fast as the bike and reasonably dry. I am merely in love with my surplus US Army rain poncho macho when it comes to bicycles- Hardy Canadian Girl-- smart like moose, strong like streetcar! Dey go tru' rain, dey go tru' sleet, day--- take the subway when it snows, which is a comedown.

Now if I could figure out what I did to send the muscles from my right ankle to the back of my knee into spasm, I'd be happy. Provinces taking the opportunity to revolt while the capital was in chaos, I assume.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
*koff* Is neither miraculous nor public if the public (i.e., -you-) doesn't get -on- the thing. And, thusly, sooo not impressed by your superhero cape macho pancho, O Hardy Canadian Girl. Today's linkie of joy: Fair Charlotte (http://www.smsu.edu/folksong/maxhunter/1498/)

Re: spasms. No clue. Clueless. Sounds like a call for wonder-beanbags, though. Sister and self made at least one effort to locate examples of these, but no luck so far. The search continues.

Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Here (http://www.magicbag.com/) for the back of neck and lower backs types. The smaller and more useful under the shoulders ones I got from meverdark, whom consult.
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Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-11-28 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Huh. Nooo, never seen nothing like that. (I wonder if they can get musty/moldy/mothy. ^^;)
I will refer people who seek teh cheep present-like object in that direction. Gratzie.

Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-29 01:03 am (UTC)(link)
Never noticed them doing it, but then mine get fried on a daily basis. You can also make your own, use and discard when they go weevily.
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Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2004-11-29 07:17 am (UTC)(link)
You haven't accidentally busted one and identified the mystery grain, by any chance?

I've got popcorn! Fill with popcorn, stuff in microwave, hooray! (Or, uh, maybe not. ^^;)

Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-29 02:58 pm (UTC)(link)
No, just read of somebody making one. Seem to recall it's bran husks. Or the package might say, of course...

Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2004-12-01 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Your choice of fillings:

rice (cheap, easily available, my preference)
buckwheat husks or other types of non-soluable bran (doesn't flow)
flax seeds (siiiilky smooth feel, hard to work with due to static, sometimes hard to find)

NO POPCORN! Unless you like it popped.

These things are so easy to make ... it seems crazy to me that people spend money on them. (Though that hot/cold dual purpose one is cool ...)

Re: Bean bags were my delight...

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-12-02 05:26 am (UTC)(link)
You mean you /made/ the ones you sent me? Utterly cool. (Only easy if you have a sewing machine though, or spent many years on historically accurate sewing of Creative Anachronism costumes maybe. *I* could never get my stitches that small, for sure.)

[identity profile] deepfryerfire.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Reporting from another site of political unrest elsewhere in the globe (thankfully the Red Chakra Region is currently under martial law until further notice), I can only say this is one of the many reasons I never get flu shots. Flus of all stripes tend to kill first the weak and unhealthy, which is exactly what flu shots make you.

Although the last one I had was about this bad, caught from the 16-month-old grandaughter of a friend's Reiki master we were babysitting. There's nothing worse than both of you getting sick at the same time because neither can take care of the other.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-27 06:07 pm (UTC)(link)
(Go martial law.)

The question being how weak and unhealthy do they make you for how long? Ordinarily I don't even register it- and the guy across the street, 80-something with two operations this year alone, said it just gave him a sore upper arm. If you're strong to start with the flu shot shouldn't debilitate you and if you aren't you probably *will* get the flu, only worse. Especially if you work in a germ pit as I do.

And as I was thinking desolately Thursday night 'I wish there was someone to heat my beanbags and rub my shoulders for me,' common sense said 'She'd probably have a migraine or a deadline or just not want to do it anyway.' Marriage is not at all what it's cracked up to be.

[identity profile] deepfryerfire.livejournal.com 2004-11-29 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, hush. Yes it is- or at least for some of us, it is. There are realities like 'If I rub your back any longer my hand is going to drop off' but weigh that against Harle running up and down stairs for me all night when I destroyed my foot, or *drving* to the store while feverish with the flu to get me meds because I was too sick to stand upright and you realize that you've got a very good deal indeed.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2004-11-27 07:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Gah. Extreme sympathy. I hope after that you have a flu-free winter -- you deserve it. (Though I don't think that going out in the pouring rain is necessarily to blame; I've never found that it particularly affects any colds I may have, or gives me them when I haven't got them.)

You probably know this already, but as I understand it, the flu shot is composed of vaccines to what the scientists think are the three most likely strains of flu to hit this year. (Which is something of a gamble, in any case.) It may be that this year one of the strains in the mix was one which you had absolutely no immunity to, as opposed to previous years where you did have some immunity to the ones in the blend. In which case, I suppose, one hopes they got it right, so that your suffering was worth something.
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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2004-11-28 05:36 am (UTC)(link)
Recovering, yes. Had to sit the Papaya tonight, everything went well, I told her Winnie the Pooh stories until she fell asleep, then went to write Xmas cards. Proceeded blissfully to pick up the card I'd bought for [livejournal.com profile] kickinpants and write a message to [livejournal.com profile] incandescens in it, write a message to [livejournal.com profile] tanbi in another, put it in an envelope and address it to you, look for kickinpants' card, not find it, and after panicked searching discover it (with its message to incandescens) in an envelope addressed to [livejournal.com profile] solaas. Still a few bugs in the system, yes indeed.