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My 'Japanese that the Japanese don't know 2' arrived yesterday. Informs me that there's a French word, tatamiser, defined by wictionary as 'S’imprégner de culture japonaise.'
One blogger defined it thus:
The Nihonjin mo shiranai Nihongo woman cites examples of people who've remained tatamisé after returning home-- waiting for cab doors to open automatically (expat, I snort: who takes taxis regularly in Japan?), giving aizuchi even in their own language (well, yes, I do) or or moaning about their katakohri (frozen shoulders) and searching vainly for a heat plaster to put on them. 'The concept of katakohri doesn't exist outside Japan', she says, which I suppose is true. I'm more likely to say My neck hurts, even though it's the shoulder blades. But yay for living in a Chinese diaspora city: I've always had access to heat plasters. And in Koreaville, I have access to Salonpas. (Of course, Bengay works better for everything.)
(She gives that other classic cultural clash, the Chinese guy who sees a building with 湯 on the noren and people going inside it with bowls, and figures it's a take-away soup place where you bring your own container. The kanji means hot water in Japanese and is used on bath houses, but it means soup in Chinese.)
One blogger defined it thus:
"Tatamisé", c'est quand un étranger commence à se comporter comme un Japonais. Il enlève ses chaussures quand il rentre chez lui, il met des chaussons, il dort dans un futon, il mange avec des baguettes, il réfléchit avant de parler, etc.which I'd call common courtesy or common sense, as per. It's a big deal getting a bed into yer average Japanese apartment, and it's usually a small bed. I had one at the dorm-- a twin-- and couldn't turn over in it unless I was extreeemely careful, whereas my futon allowed for as much rolling as I wished in the old house in Nakano-ku.
(It's when a foreigner starts acting like a Japanese- they take their shoes off when they come home and put on slippers, they sleep in a futon, they eat with chopsticks, they think twice before speaking)
The Nihonjin mo shiranai Nihongo woman cites examples of people who've remained tatamisé after returning home-- waiting for cab doors to open automatically (expat, I snort: who takes taxis regularly in Japan?), giving aizuchi even in their own language (well, yes, I do) or or moaning about their katakohri (frozen shoulders) and searching vainly for a heat plaster to put on them. 'The concept of katakohri doesn't exist outside Japan', she says, which I suppose is true. I'm more likely to say My neck hurts, even though it's the shoulder blades. But yay for living in a Chinese diaspora city: I've always had access to heat plasters. And in Koreaville, I have access to Salonpas. (Of course, Bengay works better for everything.)
(She gives that other classic cultural clash, the Chinese guy who sees a building with 湯 on the noren and people going inside it with bowls, and figures it's a take-away soup place where you bring your own container. The kanji means hot water in Japanese and is used on bath houses, but it means soup in Chinese.)
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Sounds like an interesting read!
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Yes, but her example was a European student, where it's pretty uncommon. I only started myself in the mid-80s when I was living in an apartment with hardwood floors and someone in the apartment below me. Up til then the idea was pretty foreign to me. I used to lie on my bed in my shoes!
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I like this perceived difference the most XD
giving aizuchi even in their own language
So far my experience has been the opposite i.e. I get aizuchi far more from Australian and expat patients, compared to mainly-Asian (though not Japanese; that might be the difference) LRD natives.
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Now that I'm awake, I see that what the woman was saying was 'giving aizuchi in Japanese even when speaking your own language.' So it would be a steady stream of eh-eh-ehs instead of um-hms, which would indeed kerblonx one's aite.