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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2008-06-17 09:30 am
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Mh yeah well

Under the subheading Did Not Need To Hear, Neil Gaiman is reading Samuel Delaney on writing. He says,
I was just struck by this paragraph from one of the letters -- to someone who wishes he or she was a writer, but probably isn't. And I thought, I should put it up here for all the people who write to me convinced that they would be happy if only they were writers.
"Writers are people who write. By and large, they are not happy people. They're not good at relationships. Often they're drunks. And writing -- good writing -- does not get easier and easier with practice. It gets harder and harder -- so eventually the writer must stall out into silence.The silence that waits for every writer and that, inevitably, if only with death (if we're lucky the two may happen at the same time: but they are still two, and their coincidence is rare), the writer must fall into is angst-ridden and terrifying - and often drives us mad. (In a letter to Allen Tate, the poet Hart Crane once described writing as "dancing on dynamite.") So if you're not a writer, consider yourself fortunate."
A new art film: I Even Met Happy Writers.

Delaney is of his generation and his generation is-- half a generation ahead of mine, as it turns out, and hence even more prone to accepting the romantic concept of suffering writer. Err- also male, which is relevant, I think. Male writers, like male anythings now-I-think-of-it, start young, blaze early, and then slow. Female writers start slow and build up steam. It's perfectly possible for a woman writer to /begin/ writing in her forties and fifties and go chugging along happily thereafter, without grieving that she isn't blazing with the same brilliance as when she was seventeen.

Now, the idea of The Silence chills me as much as anyone. There's a nightmare-for-me moment in a Dick Francis thriller, incidental as far as the plot is concerned, where the narrator's poet sister, not an especially nice woman, lets him know that she can't write poetry any more. Low-key and throwaway, something like him asking When's your next book coming out and her saying It's not, and him realizing what that means- it's gone, it's not coming back.

But I always feel that the male idea of life is this remorseless descent from the physical peak of adolescence. (I had a 21 year old friend mourning that he'd passed his best and it was all downhill from there.) They may know better, but it probably *feels* like that, body and bones. Damn few men say Thank god I'm not twenty any more; a lot of women do. Thirty-five is the age I'd have stopped at, though forty-five was just as good, and god knows age has its physical compensations for a woman. No more cramps, no more hormonal migraines, no more bloating-- the list is endless.

So, yeah. I don't see this inevitable oncroaching of Silence accompanying the twinging knees and aching feet. Summer cicadas, more, that sing louder the closer they get to ending.

[identity profile] mauvecloud.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 02:32 pm (UTC)(link)
But I always feel that the male idea of life is this remorseless descent from the physical peak of adolescence. (I had a 21 year old friend mourning that he'd passed his best and it was all downhill from there.)

Can those poor critters help it? Mother Nature has a keen sense of humor.

Actually the peak age is 18, or so I heard (I testify that 22 is definitely over the hill). Of course I am referring to the only thing men are good for (aside from cleaning my kitchen).

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 02:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly. My friend was saying he wasn't as energetic as when he was 17.

And what *I* hear is that even a 21-year-old woman can't keep up with the insatiable horniness of an 18-year-old male, and you want them to hit 30 so they'll actually take some *time* over the activity. Not up-in-down in 90 seconds, repeat ad nauseam until she says Look can we get some *sleep* now?

[identity profile] mauvecloud.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
even a 21-year-old woman can't keep up

As in writing (or other arts), women are late bloomers. So the 18-year old male is wasted on the 21-year old female. (heh)

35 is a good age to stop. Self-hate phases aside, during the last one year, I've been liking the me now better than, say, the me 9 years ago.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
A common refrain. Twenties so much better than teens, thirties so much better than twenties, forties even better than thirties...

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
mwahahahahaha!!!

(I apologise but I had to indicate that I found this very funny!) ^__^

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 02:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I have been facing The Silence for a few months now. It's horrible! I'm lucky my livelihood doesn't depend on writing.

I agree with your observations about men. And the notion of the suffering writer or starving artist has never appealed to me. I'd rather be the hardworking artist/writer who consistently produces. It might not all be brilliant but at least it's out there.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 03:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I never know how much Silence is something in itself and how much is laziness, fear, or plain three-year-old Shan't! Certainly it's easier to say 'I can't write I have nothing to say', than to sit and wring the words out and find them uninspiring and hard and no fun and blah blah. If it was only Accepted Common Wisdom that you must write your way through silences until you get back in the groove, it'd be easier to know what to do with them. As it is, the plain fact that faces you is that This isn't fun; and if you write for fun that means there's no reason to write.

Leaving aside the whole snake pit of See, this *proves* you have no talent for writing why do you even try etc etc.

[identity profile] grendelity.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Haha, oh man, that's bleak. Though I know there's basis behind the so-called romantic concept. I can't remember many details, as it's been a few years, but I did a paper on the connection between hypomania and creativity blah blah. Kind of typical fare, I guess, but at age 17 I was fascinated by it. Subject in particular was Robert Schumann, who composed like mad for a few years, feverishly productive, then seemed to run out of steam, did nothing for years and proceeded to attempt suicide a few times before finally starving himself to death. So that's actually an illness that is more frightening than romantic, I think. I don't know if it Means Anything that he's also male. I don't think I've heard of notable female artists suffering from hypomania rather than what everyone's assumed is bipolar disorder. It is interesting to think about the men being the noble sufferers [or at least portrayed so]. I can only think of Byron. XD

[identity profile] unearthly-calm.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm...I've never heard anyone say this before, actually, but it makes me very happy.
I spent a lot of my free time over the last year worrying that the lack of writing time I had due to long work hours meant that I was going to lose whatever gift for writing I had and that I would wake up at 30 and realise it was gone forever (Peter Keating-epiphany style). *embarassed*
Anyway, due to changes in my life, it looks like the long hours are going to continue for the forseeable future, so it makes me feel a bit better to think that I could still become a better writer later on in life.

[identity profile] unearthly-calm.livejournal.com 2008-06-17 09:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Argh!!!! Embarrassed, I mean. See, the spelling's going already! :)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 03:06 am (UTC)(link)
I would wake up at 30 and realise it was gone forever

Um, well. I stopped writing at 19 because it was all such crap, and started again at 43 with almost no difficulty at all. And produced stuff I still think is good, fifteen years after that. So, no, I don't think it goes away. Just matures.

[identity profile] new-kate.livejournal.com 2008-06-18 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
Well, yes :) Every creative process must, by definition, fail as much as succeed and run into many dead ends, as it is all about trying to blaze a new trail every single time. Also, every relationship will end in heartbreak and every life will end in death. Oh god those men, they are so profound.
Men kind of do have a tendency to collapse into despair under the weight of not having achieved greatness even once in the last three days. I think we have an unfair advantage there.