Great Moments from the Beeb

[flemmings]

I'm spamming my own lj, aren't I? Never mind. Some kind person gave me a permanent account and I must show my gratitude.

Meanwhile: Why bother watching Classic Dr Who when F_W will give me all the Classic Who moments?

Yes, I *will* talk about Daisan no Teikoku one of these years, but now I'm going back to... reading Daisan no Teikoku. It's more addictive than anything I've read since Karin, though not *quite* in the same vein as Karin's multi-threaded all-singing all-dancing Daoist Chinese Broadway musical. I just can't quite analyze the charm of it yet. Four more volumes to see if it gets any clearer.

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[cesmith.livejournal.com]

Um, wow, I had no idea that the current Dr. Who series had sparked such incredibly vehement arguments. I've watched Dr. Who for far too many years to ever get too attached to any one companion or any one incarnation of the Doctor. All too often the actor/actress of a companion or a Dr. has asked to leave the series only to be replaced by someone equally qualified. Each companion/Dr. has brought their own take on the series and when mixed with the actual scripts of the series (and like any series there are good and badly written episodes)the total picture takes form. Personally, I've always preferred Sarah Jane Smith, but that was probably because she was the first companion I ever saw (as humans we tend to prefer the people who draw us initially to a series and what better twosome was there than Tom Baker's Doctor and his relationship with Sarah (But Sarah also shared the spotlight with Jon Pertwee's Dr. too, my third favorite Dr.).

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

I've watched Dr. Who for far too many years to ever get too attached to any one companion or any one incarnation of the Doctor.

That's the reason in a nutshell: Old Who Fan. The batshit fen are the ones who started with new Who and who treat it like any other TV series- what's written is written and don't you dare change it.

Me, I'm surprised (and pleased) at how unwanky Old Fen are being about New. In similar anime circs, those who watched in Japanese and fansub tend to be dismissive and disparaging of the teenies who come into the fandom from the dub-- who do behave, yes, very much like the battier of the New Whos.

[cesmith.livejournal.com]

That always amazes me too, the battle over fansubbed vs dubs. When I first discovered anime I remember buying the fansubbed (VHS)versions of some series (Tenchi Muyo was one of them.)at Tower Records for my sons (True, they were never intended for sale but they ended up on the store's shelves none the less). There was precious little on the internet then in the way of downloading (He used to mail off for episodes on VHS, which the fansubbers usually sold at cost.) and what was on TV was not sold, there simply wasn't a market for Japanese language Sailor Moon (shoot, back then I didn't even realize as I watched it with my daughter that it was Japanese originally. I actually had thought it was Canadian since so many of the cartoons we loved to watch together seemed to have been imported.) We strayed away from anime for several years and then my Husband downloaded Chobits and we watched it together. Initially I found the subtitles irritating and found myself wishing it was in English. Then we discovered Sailor Moon Live Action which I thought was great. But what really got me back into anime was when we subscribed to The Anime Network. Dubbed or not, I got sucked into Sorcerer Hunters and Orphen and introduced to Saiyuki. Did I like all the VA I heard? Of course not. Many are annoying and squeeky and as my son loves to point out *ADV VAs always seem to be yelling*. But the stories were new and fresh, different from US television and often times unpredictable. After about 5 years of watching anime I find I have fallen into a pattern. If I start a series in Japanese, I find it very difficult to listen to it in English. If I start a series in English, I rarely listen to it in Japanese (though I do watch it with the subtitles on to see where the translations might differ). The problem with the new and old fans for dub vs sub usually happens with the translations and how the companies try to make it acceptable to US audiences. (I still remember when I found out they had changed the sex of one of Sailor Moon's adversaries so it would be a heterosexual pairing, or how in CardCaptor Sakura, the brother's relationship with his friend is downplayed.) Sometimes it's like watching 2 different animes with the same titles and not everyone is interested or rich enough to buy the DVDs to see the original since whether you like a show is usually based on how you first saw it. (As much as I LOVE Ishida Akira's voice, I have yet to watch much of Gensomaden Saiyuki in Japanese because the English VAs originally sucked me into Saiyuki. I have never listened to RELOAD or Gunlock in English (I do own ALL the DVDs) because I originally downloaded them and have only heard them in Japanese (and the Geneon VAs REALLY REALLY stink!)

Sorry to have taken up so much of your LJ space but dub vs sub seems as ridiculous a thing to argue about as who is the best DR. Who or did he love her/him better? They are just components of the whole with differing aspects appealing to different people. Or maybe it's just my age that makes me feel there are more important issues in the world to get excited over. :-)

[doire]

I'm sitting on my hands; I could so easily join in.Me, I see Rose as early Enide; an innocent cause of change.

I think nostalgia colours the view of old fans' old behaviour. That, or they've mutually agreed to forget and united against the new lot.

[flemmings.livejournal.com]

The old fen always sound so mellow when they reminisce, though. 'Ah, good times, good times.' The more recent lot could do worse than adopt that tone instead of the hot-eyed crusading 'smash the infidel' one established by Harry/Hermione shippers. Shipping wars- bad times, bad times.

[cesmith.livejournal.com]

I don't think that the old fans (I've been watching for over 27 years) are against the new fans (Though I do think that newer fans tend to over-think what is essentially just a tv show. Remember, even in the UK staying on the air is all about RATINGS, all the better if a show is actually GOOD!). I doubt that any new fan felt any more excited than I did when I sat down to watch the first new episode in over 5 years (and since it is considered canon, I count the movie, even though *grumbles under her breath* it was a terrible waste of a regeneration), and loved both the newest Dr. and Rose from the very beginning. However, since we've seen so many different versions of the Doctor we tend to take him as a whole and we realize that no one is irreplaceable, companion or Dr.. I cried just as much when Adric died as when Rose was lost to the Doctor forever. The Doctor will grieve for a while and miss her, but remember, she IS alive and physically well and with people that love her. With time he will be able to move on. After all, he has more worlds to explore and planet conquerors to foil.

And if David Tennant decides to leave the show after his year hiatus starting after season 4, we will be getting used to yet another actor portraying The Doctor.

[i-am-zan.livejournal.com]

^__^ Heheheh! *giggles* - thank you for sharing.