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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2007-09-24 07:37 pm
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Chatty Cathy: I can has mooncakes?

I first had mooncakes last year at [livejournal.com profile] paleaswater's wedding. They were good. I went looking for them this year and couldn't find them.

I know, I know- a twenty minute bike down to Huron and Dundas would have solved the problem in a jiffy. Alas, both my bicycle and I are unduly creaky these days, and while I don't necessarily mind biking down to Chinatown, the idea of biking back up the hill didn't appeal. I'd sort of hoped the big Korean supermarket ('Korean but not picky'- they carry yoghurt and o-senbei as well as kim chee and pig's ears) might have stocked them, but no. I wasn't looking *hard*, mind, or I'd have braved the ride south.

Whatever- today I'm up in the large yuppie supermarket, the likes of which I haven't seen outside of LA ('we sell lawn chairs, fashion crockery, skin care products, small kitchen appliances and of course food'). I'm picking up milk from the fridge back of the bakery section and turn to go when my eye is caught by a pile of very unyuppie-coloured red boxes. Mooncakes. From Alberta. Wrappers from Taiwan. What looks like a poem on the box. (Four lines of ten hanzi, written five and five. Suspicious, you know. Is it always the same poem, BTW?) I stop squinting at the hanzi and look at the price. 24.95 for the nice box of four big cakes, 22.95 for the not so nice box with six 'mini' cakes. Err- pricey, yes. But hey, special occasion. And pretty box.

Take it to the cash, she scans it, it comes out 26.95. Oh. I often misread signs, of course, and over $25 is more than I want to pay, or in fact have on me, but hey, special occasion. And pretty box. I use my debit card.

Then, most unCanadianly of me, I go double check the display. 22.95 and 24.95. Continuing out of character- what's a toonie among friends?-I go to customer service and point out the discrepancy. She pages the bakery section- several times, in fact- and finally sends a minion off to see what the display says, at which of course the bakery calls her back. "He says it's 24.95 for the small ones, 26.95 for the big ones," she says. "Err yes, but the sign says..." More time passes. Minion returns with the signs. CS woman does complicated things at the cash- 'How do you ring in tens?'- and asks for my debit card. "We'll credit it $10." The people in this store, seriously. "The difference was only two dollars," I remind her. "Yes, but for store errors we credit ten dollars." Sweet.

So there I am with my mooncakes for fifteen dollars. They are very good, aside from an understandable gaijin confusion as to what a serving consists of. They're confused too. They said 16 servings, meaning one serving is a quarter of a cake. But when you divide their 1 serving = 55 gms into the total weight, it comes out as 1 serving = a third of a cake, thus calming my panicked 'Did I just eat 800 calories of mooncake?!! reaction. 600 calories of mooncake. Too much mooncake, in any case. Shall save the rest for the day itself. Luckily that appears to be tomorrow.
stormcloude: peace (lotus)

[personal profile] stormcloude 2007-09-25 12:58 am (UTC)(link)
I have always wanted to try mooncakes. I first saw them in the Vietnamese part of town a few years ago and they were about that pricey. My mind immediately said, "Something that expensive MUST be good."

Silly mind. Maybe this year I will actually find out if it's true.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
After several people at work assured me they were vile and heavy and that *thing* in the centre is worse, I began to doubt my memory. Let me merely say, I like the ones I have, beans or no beans. I can understand the Chinese getting a bit fed-up with them; like chocolate at Christmas, when absolutely everyone gives you it day after day, enough is enough. But within reason, it's good.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
Ahahaha the salted duck egg yolk? Some people like it. (Like it so much that they make ones with *four* yolks.) Say it cuts through the cloying sweetness. Personally I think it's nasty. But you can just get the ones without, and the really good ones shouldn't cloy, anyway.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:29 am (UTC)(link)
It's a real duck egg? It was so dry I was sure it was some kind of chestnut paste.

And I don't need to know how high in calories those things are. About the same as a Big Mac and shake, I'm sure: but there's a reason I don't eat Big Macs and shakes.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:35 am (UTC)(link)
Mmm. The ones we get here are real duck egg, anyway. If yours is from Taiwan it should be as well. They're pickled in... brine? Or something? Which is why the texture changes.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
If I'm to believe the box, they're actually made here in Canada. The wrappers come from Taiwan, and that seems to be a Taiwanese poem as well. And oh, yes, here's me being dumb. Ther eon the side is either the list of ingrediants or the list of the most important ones, as required by law: 'white lotus seed paste two egg yolks.' Ducks indeed.
stormcloude: peace (lotus)

[personal profile] stormcloude 2007-09-25 06:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm a little in love with this thread because now I know a little more about them, if not the festival and traditions behind them. I'm going to make it a point to go out and look at the moon tonight.

[identity profile] rasetsunyo.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:13 am (UTC)(link)
Mooncakes are incredibly high in calories. And the good ones can be expensive. My family usually cuts them into eighths, which makes for really small slivers but the taste is so rich anyway it's usually enough.

It's not always the same poem I don't think. Half the time there isn't a poem although the box is always pretty because people tend to use them as gifts. (although since everyone gives one to everyone else it becomes more a mooncake exchange than anything.)

Yes it's on the 25th this year! Mooncake + tea + looking at full moon, mmm.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:32 am (UTC)(link)
This is my poem, called I believe 蓮潭夜月

清波澄皓月,沈璧遠銜空,
山影依稀習,荷花隱現紅。
潭心浮太極,水底近蟾宮,
莫被採菱女,攜歸繡幕中。

[identity profile] baka-gaijin.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
I shall do a google search on what, exactly, a mooncake is. You should take a pic of the box and post it. I can't touch your box... but I would like a peek at it. XD

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I'd have to scan the box- no camera- which I don't want to do because, well, the cakes are still in it. But when they're gone... though the picture is small and delicate and may not render well.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry but I'm the nosy kind... here you go mooncakes for the uninitiated (http://www.kevdesign.com/midautumnfestival/mooncake-variety.htm)

I hope you didn't mind the interuption. ^__^

[identity profile] abyss-goat.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:28 am (UTC)(link)
Were they mooncakes? I thought they were pineapple cakes. Did you remember what was in it?

And OMG at the prices. You should be telling me this if you want them - I can get you a full BOX and mail them to you at that price.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
I really wouldn't know the diff between moon and pineapple. There was a beany something, I thought- but then I thought the duck egg was a chestnut. ^^::

Yes, well, no guarantee they'd make it across the border, ne? And by the time Canada Snail/ Escargot Canada got them to me they'd be dry as well. But thank you for the thought.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 06:11 am (UTC)(link)
Moon cakes come with all kinds of fillings. The nephew was caught in customs for two hours earlier this week because his mother sent the ones with egg yolks and customs was giving him a hard time about not declaring them. He complained he just missed the checkbox for food, it wasn't on purpose, and sorry that he was delivering half empty boxes. LOL!

In any case, traditional fillings: red bean, green bean, lotus, date, pineapple. Lots of other fillings can be used, someone once told me that in HK the fashion is currently 'garish, modern and sweet', but couldn't tell me what 'modern' was. And optional egg yolks, of course.

Like rasetsunyo, we always cut them up 8 ways and everyone had a sliver. Sometimes several slivers of different flavors.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
hmm I should do a post today it being THE day!

The children will light their lanterns and we will admire the full moon and we shall see if they can see the rabbit and the Lady on the moon!

I don't like the yolk ones... waaay too rich and yes mooncakes are pricey and more so this year due to the increase of our GST to 7%and also because the AVA rejected something like 26000 ducks' salted egg yolks due to them not passing bird flu checks. However the plus for me is the the snow skin ones without the yolks turn out cheaper for me and I only bought 4 diddy ones. I was lucky with the flavours this year.

There was Green tea and Chestnut
Sakura essence with Lotus
Plum and red bean
Pomelo

...and I shared it with girl because hubby is very suspicious of things he cannot quite make out! and boy is like Daddy! ^__^

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Can't make out? You cut it open and there it is. Beanpaste. Sweet. What's not to like? (Grown western men I can understand- terrible conservatives foodwise- but little boys who've grown up with mooncakes? Must be a throwback to some northern English ancestor.)

Sakura essence with Lotus

How immensely elegant.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Well the man is not a bean fan unless it's drowned in tomato sauce and comes in a can. And he's not really a sweets kind of guy. ^__^

I despair of Darian sometimes. Ste goes to me ... "you know it's ok, because I didn't like rice till I was 17!!!" and I'm like "@#*)("

And yes it was light not too sweet with a hint of saltiness you wouldn't expect, it was very delightful indeed! ^__^

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 06:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Well the man is not a bean fan unless it's drowned in tomato sauce and comes in a can.

...you can take the boy out of England but you can't take England out of the boy. Pork 'n beans with cut up hot dogs, served on toasted white pre-sliced bread, is how we do it.

It's a very nostalgic dish but at present totally indigestible. Sometimes I don't believe the things I ate when I was young.

[identity profile] sho-sunaga.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:37 am (UTC)(link)
I know this is a stupid question but what are moon cakes? Sounds like 月餅(geppei in Japanese)but I'm not sure. It is a Chinese cake with red bean paste and nuts and stuff in it. Is that what you are talking about? I love them!! the price in Canada boggled my mind^^;

[identity profile] abyss-goat.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 08:41 am (UTC)(link)
Yes - that's what it is (at least, the kanji is correct). Maybe I can smuggle a couple over for you when I come in December. :)

[identity profile] sho-sunaga.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the thought! Don't worry I get them all the time here. They are pretty good, too, especially the one you can get in China Town!

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 12:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Just thought this would amuse -
Flavoured snowskin mooncakes. Glutinous rice crust, sort of like mochi. They're all lotus-paste filling apart from the taro, but flavoured.
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The kanji on top for identification - yellow = durian, purple = taro, yellow-green = green tea, pale green = lotus.

View of cut mooncake
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The more common baked variety - guessing this is what you got?

The cute but drier version
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[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 12:48 pm (UTC)(link)
wrong tags on the last two... the cute but drier versions are here:
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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I got the common kind. I mean hell, a yuppie supermarket isn't going into variations. But next year (or maybe tomorrow, which however is supposed to be cold and rainy) I'll check out Chinatown and see what's available. Glutinous rice crust yum yum yum.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 02:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Hee. Merlions are getting rather more popular in recent years. And Hello Kitty and Doraemon shapes too.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
wah!!! Merlion ones? Being the jaded disillusioned LRD-er I am I find Merlion anythings...cheesy and kitsch! But that's just me. But hee...Hello Kitty ones, so cool!

There are some flavours that should never have been made into mooncakes like coffee, chocolate and worse milk chocolate!

I like my old fashion yam and red bean ones, although as I told flemmings above that there were some lovely ones, like the green tea, and the sakura essence with lotus paste.

my other friends well you know what Singaporeans are like..they're all durian mad!!! ugh! I think years of living abroad made me not like them anymore. It's kind of sad because I feel like a small Singaporean part of me died but kind of glad too (from a cholesterol point of view)!

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I am glad I'm not a LRDer, then, because I think merlions are cool and Hello Kitty cheesy and kitsch. C'mon- Hello Kitty *invented* cheesy and kitsch.

If you could work out how to have a coffee-flavoured mooncake I think it'd be the essence of cool. Yes, my eyes are round, why do you ask? ^_^

[identity profile] mauvecloud.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 03:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Skin: I prefer baked skin versions to snowskins (glutinous rice not so yum yum ^^;;;).

In terms of filling, coffee, tiramisu, green tea, orange and other fruity flavors have become quite the norm during the last few years. (Heck, you only see four flavors in that first pic from q because the white [tiramisu] and light-brown [cappucino?] ones are currently residing in my fridge =P)

And that toy cookies she showed last, that's - that's not mooncake! Unlike mooncakes, thicker skins (for people who like mooncake skins more than the filling >.>.), and available all-year round.

One LRD-ian found these mooncakes bizarre:
http://www.thebakerscottage.com.my/mooncake.asp

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 04:22 pm (UTC)(link)
In terms of filling, coffee, tiramisu, green tea, orange and other fruity flavors have become quite the norm during the last few years.

Yum. Yumyumyumyum x infinity.

I'm sure the innovations you link to may have caused the traditional apoplexy, but I read "The mysteriously tempting dark chocolate paste enfolds the soft truffle" and do a Pavlov dog imitation. It looks like a confection from my childhood whose name, even in my childhood, was an embarrassment because it's hair-raisingly racist, but consisted of darkest chocolate in a hard white icing. Without the extra sweetness of a white sugar icing it might actually be edible.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 04:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I know ...

Hello Kitty is a throwback of my childhood that I can't let go off somehow! ^__^ I have my HK toothbrush, and my HK purse, my HK shoelaces on my DM's and my HK mobile phone pouch ... yes *facepalms* I'm a shameless HK addict I'm afraid! I buy stuff on the pretext that it's for my girl...but I think she's cottoned on to me now, that I buy it for me! ^_~

She has told me never to buy her anything pink ever again! >.< Is that child savvy or what eh! Talk about pride twinged with heartache!

[identity profile] shalimar1001.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 12:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually I buy them in the Chinese Supermarket, but they are quite expensive just before the moon festival. So I don't have my mooncakes yet, will go tomorrow to pick up some discounted stuff.
I believe that the best mooncakes are made in HongKong, though I would love to buy the ones from my hometown, Guangzhou. The ones from my hometown are relatively cheaper, but the quality is as good as the Hongkong ones.
There are several kinds of stuffings for the mooncakes. Different regions in China produce different kinds of mooncakes. And I have never tried the other kinds other than the Cantonese type. In the Cantonese type, they have the pastes in White Lotus seed (this is toooooo sweet for me), regular Lotus seed (this is the most ordinary and less sweeter), Red Bean (I don't remember how it tastes like, probably less sweeter than the regular lotus seed), and the Five Nuts ones (My grandma's favourite, but I don't like, they have some nuts and some meat inside, sweet and oily. In fact, I don't actually know what exactly the stuffings are inside.) The egg yolk is what I dream for whenever I think of the Moon Festival. They are so yummy. Oops, my stomach is calling them already.
About the ice skin ones, I love them too. The stuffing is lovely. I bought them quite cheap this year, $10 for 4 pieces, two different stuffings.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
The white lotus seed is sweet, yes, but not as tooth-achingly sweet as the yokan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yokan) I had in Japan.

And thanks for the tip that you can get them discounted next day. I won't be moon-viewing tonight- thunderstorm predicted instead- so I didn't really need them for today. You're in Toronto too, yes? Downtown or out Markham way? Do you have a particular store you get your mooncakes at?

[identity profile] shalimar1001.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 02:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I am in Richmond Hill indeed. Every Chinese supermarket should have mooncakes for sale right now. I will buy mine from the supermarket on Bayview Avenue. But not sure whether they will cut the price right away after the moon festival. Just go to try my luck. Last year, I got my mooncakes quite cheap though, and could not finish the four cakes until December.
My aunt's family love the white lotus one. But I don't actually eat them, 1 or 2 slice every year. I am not very fond of dessert.
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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-09-25 04:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Wait a few days and maybe they'll be more reasonable. Or maybe Chinese supermarkets aren't Loblaws Yuppie Store, more like.