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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2007-02-22 07:13 pm
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Paladin of Souls

Fails. No manga moments and way too much Babylon 5 Syndrome.

I liked the first season of Babylon 5 a lot. Fascinating characters, fascinating set-up. I couldn't see why on earth they replaced Sinclair with Sheridan until later events demonstrated why it was necessary. Sinclair was too efficient. He wouldn't have let things get into the kind of mess that they had to be in for the series to continue for five seasons.

From that POV I could see why it was necessary to have a mediocrity in charge of the station. Realistic enough: I could see the Peter Principle at work here, guaranteeing that some career officer run-of-the-mill general got promoted to commander of a station where he was utterly out of his depth, made bad decision after bad decision, had his instincts in the wrong place, etc etc, and drama unfolded as a result. Except that wasn't JMS' idea. *He* wanted me to believe that Sheridan was wonderful and spesshul and the saviour of mankind, and kept on telling me he was wonderful and spesshul etc., when it was perfectly obvious to me from the things he did that he wasn't even a pimple on Sinclair's butt.

Now, it was bad enough for JMS to insist, adolescently, that *both* commanders have the same initials as himself, which isn't merely graceless, it's confusing. Two featureless whitebread Anglo names are impossible to keep separate: I had to adopt a friend's mnemonic, that Sheridan begins with the same sound as shit-eating grin, to remember which was which. What really got my goat, however, was his treatment of Lennier. Lennier was a moral and virtuous man, deep of faith and just basically *good*. Lennier's moral gravitas made Sheridan look the light-weight he is. Therefore JMS found it necessary to make Lennier indulge in an unforeseen and gratuitous betrayal, motivated by jealousy, just to prove that really good people don't exist after all and Sheridan is still all spesshul and wonderful and The Only One Worthy Of Delenn. (Who is no prize either. JMS just keeps saying she is.)

That little bit of small-souled self-indulgence isn't confined to JMS, IMHO. It's a frequent downside of the American cultural given 'I'm as good as you.' If everyone is as good as anyone else then no one is allowed to be better. Therefore there are no real heroes, and saints are unpleasant people, and decency is just an act, and-- everyone in fact is as small and limited as I am, which is reassuring. The trouble is, it isn't true to reality, and it sure as hell makes for bad drama. I grant you that great souls are rare. But if you've shown someone as great of soul for four seasons, it comes off as mingy to cut him down to size in the fifth, just for the sake of making your hero look good.

Which brings us to Ista in Paladin of Souls. Bujold drags a couple of gods onstage to tell us how wonderful and spesshul Ista is. And I don't agree. It's clear enough she was a small-souled small-minded self-absorbed twit when younger. And dumb, dear god was she dumb. 'The curse can be broken by a man who is willing to die three time for Chalion.' Maybe it's because my parents were lawyers and impressed on me the importance of Every. Bloody. Word. in a legal document, but my reaction to that is-- obviously the minute the guy stops being *willing* to die, having him die won't work. You've failed to meet the basic requirements. And yes, you *are* a murderer.

But that's not how Bujold wants us to see it. Oh yes ista blames herself, sort of, for murdering her husband's lover, but of course her husband should have stopped her because he was older and wiser- which may have half a point- but mostly, see, it was the great lord Whatsisname himself who was responsible for his own death because he wasn't as great as everyone thought him- which Bujold then turns into, as *he* wanted everyone to see him, implying it was an act of vanity from the start. Err sorry, I'm not buying that. Ista's alive, the man's dead, Ista's telling the story in a way that says It wasn't my fault it was someone else's. She has something to gain from insisting Whatsisname was a fraud. 'He made me believe he was wonderful and then he faltered, so hell he was a sham from the start and deserved to die.' Whatsisname can't be allowed to have been as marvellous as his reputation suggests- as he appears reflected in his son, even- because then Ista looks bad.

So no, frankly, I don't like Ista and I don't see why Bujold wants me to believe she's such a wonderful god-chosen person.

I'm also waiting for a writer who can make heterosexual love and passion look anything other than graceless. It's doable: Miss Smilla's Sense of Snow had some lovely yaoi moments in its m/f, and so in its own way did a Japanese novel (name gone now) that was written by a guy from a male perspective and struck me forcibly how utterly lacking in hostility the tone was- which underlined just how hostile men usually sound when writing about love and sex. Women writers usually just sound twee. Bujold is no exception. But maybe the love story would seem more palatable if I liked Ista better; whereas it gives me exactly the same hives as Sheridan and Delenn.

Shall give a pass to volume 3 of this thing and go read China Mieville instead. Or maybe The Woman in White. Having finished vol 1 of Cruel God Reigns as well, I think I'm owed something.

[identity profile] tekalynn.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 02:00 am (UTC)(link)
I had the opposite reaction. Sinclair gave me the heebiejeebies, while I rather liked Sinclair.

But my heart was with the Centauri, so I wasn't really paying attention to the human characters, except for Ivanova and the snarky guy.

[identity profile] tekalynn.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 02:01 am (UTC)(link)
Sinclair = heebiejeebies and Sheridan = rather liked. Sorry.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2007-02-23 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry about that.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 02:44 am (UTC)(link)
Good heavens. Nothing to apologize for. It's totally my own perversity that makes me peeved that Bujold not only isn't Ima Ichiko, she doesn't write manga characters, or characters who could come from a manga, or at least not in this book though she did in the last one which I now remember rather fondly. Alas she's not the first writer to like her characters more than I do, and to be ham-handed with the romance; Lackey managed to do the same with male characters, after all, which is a *real* waste.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2007-02-23 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
True. It's just, you know, there's always a bit of self-irritation when you recommend a book to a friend and the book and the friend just don't get along.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 12:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Illogical but true. Which is why I always say 'I rather liked this but it might not be your cup of tea' when recommending specific books to specific people. That also avoids the default-perverse reaction, where one is automatically predisposed to dislike a work just because other people say it's so wonderful.

(Yet another cultural difference between Americans and Canadians, I discovered. Buying cast-offs from returning Americans in Tokyo, I'd be perplexed by their hearty recommendation of whatever the thing was- vacuum cleaner or word processor. 'It's perfect! It works beautifully! I'm letting it go so cheap!' This gave me the message 'This is a dud and I'm trying to pull a fast one on you,' whereas for them, that's the way you sell stuff. Here it's 'Well, it works OK though the filter could be better, so I couldn't ask more than (exact same sum the other person was asking)' which says 'I'm honest, this thing isn't perfect and I won't pretend it is.')

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Oh B5...that series was one where I really felt let down by the whole thign...There were so many characters that weren't made full use of or given depth..whichever, there were characters that I would have loved to have shaken the teeth out of....(agrees with you about Sheridan)

I enjoyed the sparring between the Centauri and the Narns (I think - too long ago now to remember the details ^__^)

I thought I was in love with Garibaldi (security? officer), Ivanonva was cool. I thought Delenn and Lennier were cool..Delenn lost her street cred when she became whatever it was she was supposed to be...after...

Anyhow I really felt cheated by the time I invested in it that it never got better. It sort of lost steam and plotlines (or would that be plotholes) began to unravel and weaken. Midway through third season and I just lost interest.

The Shadow War was dragged out where it shouldn't have been and the ending not given enough import...Gah! Oh dear...don't remind me...I thought it could have been better anyway!

Don't mistake me,,the good bits that were there I did enjoy - otherwise I wouldn't have gone back to it week after week!. ^__^

Aaah! Another walk down memory lane.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
The good bits of B5 were good but so much of it was a bloody trainwreck, either canonically (everything goes to hell in handbasket and we can't stop it) or through JMS' biases and idiocy (Sheridan and human!Delenn, cutting other characters down to size so as to puff up St Sheridan, losing Ivanova.) I liked so many characters so much- Londo and G'Karr, Lennier and Vir, Garibaldi and Ivanova and Dr. Franklin, even Marcus in spite of the LotR echoes, even Bester who was utterly loathsome in a good way. But the whole thing had no centre and wasn't going anywhere I was interested in following it. Such a waste.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh dear. I liked the first season of B5 too, but lost track of the series somewhere a couple of seasons in due to timeslot juggling or something of the sort.

Also read a couple of Bujold books - didn't appeal to me, didn't continue. They read like competent but not great fanfic, and I look for slightly different things in origfic.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
I wish she'd read more like fanfic and less like mass-market paperback, myself. Not enough self-indulgence, I felt, or possibly not a writer given to self-indulgence. For which reason she does write a leaner and cleaner style than most fantasy writers I've tried. Hobb, Flewelling, Rowling even.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Reading like fanfic is not a bad thing, but I'm not getting fanficly things I like out of them, which is unfortunate. I like book series.

Hm. I keep meaning to read more mass market paperbacks, but the last handful (Hobb and Storm Constantine and a few others) I read I didn't care much for. I do have a Mieville on the to-read shelf, though. Maybe I'll take it out for a look-see.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 12:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahh yes. Probably I meant 'give me fanficly things' rather than simply 'sound like a fanfic.' Though of course what I really want are manga-ly things- which probably means exactly the same. Id content in manga is higher than in western pro fiction.

Though I can't imagine what a CJ CHerryh fan can go on to after CJC. She's kind of sui generis.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
She is, rather. At least she wrote a lot and is still going strong? She's cranking them out quite a bit faster than I read them these days (though mostly because they're all still hardcover.) And there's always actual fanfic...

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
which underlined just how hostile men usually sound when writing about love and sex.

Yes. Hostile and entitled. Nothing annoys me faster than a guy feeling he's entitled to reciprocal love from the object of his affection.

I've never watched Babylon 5 and I'm not likely to, but you do bring up good points that can be applied to other stories.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2007-02-23 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL! You make B5 sound like the teen's evaluation of Smallville - every episode starts out so promising but the writers never do anything with the promising bits so the end of every episode is a huge disappointment.

The 3rd Bujold book in this world is completely unrelated to the first two and I don't recommend it to you. Yes, the first book was the best of the bunch. I agree with you on the Ista evaluation, though I felt it was nice to see a main character that wasn't 'so wonderful' for a change.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2007-02-24 12:53 am (UTC)(link)
I don't mind a character who isn't 'so wonderful' being stage centre when the author plays fair. Bujold doesn't. Not one, not two, but *three* bloody gods come seeking her attention, and the last two spend a lot of time telling her, and us, how truly wonderful she is. And yeah- Ista decides to go for a trip and suddenly she's solving everyone's problems for them, and ya know, the woman she's been for the last 23 years just vanishes like that. Except that she's still going 'He betrayed me by not being wonderful! It was *his* fault he got killed' even when talking to the man's son. Not so big on the insight even after she becomes Marvellous Ista.