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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2006-07-25 10:29 am
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Must get an outdoor mailbox. Iwase has processed my Gangan order at least (and sheesh does it cost: $20 a hit for a 450 yen magazine, before within-Canada postage) and because of the gigantic size of the thing it comes parcel delivery. Our insane PO has decided my area is not a safe drop-and-leave zone, even though I routinely leave my doors unlocked, because people can take things from between the doors if they like. I'd have thought they could equally take them from the mailbox, which unlike my screen door comes with a 'Goodies inside!!!' supposition attached; but you do not argue with the PO.

I haven't been following FMA recently so this was all new territory. I don't know what Riza has on her back that she wants Roy to burn away, or why, but boy did the moment when he pulls off his gloves have the authentic slash thud to the gut feel to it. Bravo FMA. And still I wonder, would it have a harder thud if it had been another guy?

Reasons for yes: playing the power balances shtick is always thuddier between guys. Guy-guy is assumed equal on a basic level that man-woman is not- or rather, not by me. In m/m the military rank thing, the officer-subordinate thing, the emotional intimacy within a stratified structure thing, the fact of trust, is icing on the cake: that two presumed-equal partners have an agreement (because of rank and whatever) that they are not equal, and that's hot.

Male-female is presumed unequal. In the FMA universe, in spite of the women of rank in the military, power is in the hands of men still: they do the deciding of what goes down. Riza and Roy cannot be presumed equal, and what is icing in m-m (the military rank thing, the officer-subordinate thing, the emotional intimacy within a stratified structure) becomes just business as usual in m-f. Of course you trust your back to a woman: what reason does she have to betray you? Of course you outrank her: she's a woman and you're a man. What's transgressive in her asking you to mutilate her? That's what women are for. (OK, overstatement: but in a male universe women exist to be hurt by men, willingly or not. Nothing new there.)

Reasons for no, it's better this way: err, well, the fall-out from slash, actually. Guy subordinating himself to guy is old news and, ironically, business as usual in the realms of *my* imagination at any rate. But if you look at this ep as a slash scenario with a woman replacing one of the guys, it becomes transgressive from that fact- one of the slash guys is a woman. So we have an officer about to mutilate one of his 'men' at the man's request. The officer's moral and emotional dilemma is the same: not that he's going to hurt a woman but that he's going to hurt one of his people. It's a test of the trust between them that his subordinate can make the request and he can comply.

Equally- we get a flashback to what I'm assuming is Riza's first appearance. The manga I'd read to date (first eight tanks or so) had her as tough chick and suppressed romantic interest, and didn't break too much new ground as far as I could see. But what we see here is that Riza has moral authority, and more importantly for transgressive texts, what I see as a male kind of moral authority. Women often have moral authority in male-authored works, but usually in a 'keepers of the flame' way. Someone once said that women are made guardians of traditional morality and values so men don't have to be. They get to have their cake and eat it: the morality is still there- safely stowed, as it were- so the world is still a safe place, but the men aren't constrained from the fun of mayhem and violence.

But Riza's morality isn't traditional female. It's traditional fighting man/ sin-eater. We break the laws so other people don't have to. We take the guilt of murder and bloodshed so other people can be at peace. We don't glorify the murder and bloodshed because it's not glorious. But it is, we judge, necessary, so we do it and take the consequences. And Roy accepts that stance as his own kind of morality.

I have a faint bell ringing; I think it's the female general in the Second Taiki novel who expresses some of the same attitude. A dirty job and we do it. And because the women do this traditional male dirty job, to me they have the moral and emotional weight of men, and are consequently fit subjects for slash.

Coincidentally I was watching the last episodes of Samurai Champloo when my Gangan arrived. There's the difference writ large. I like Fuu; she's a sympathetic character; but she's always kept out of the male action, even when the action is a baseball game. Mugen keeps patting her on the head and telling her not to get involved or to run away or whatever. She's all trad female morality (Can't we all just get along?) which is sensible, yes, but not at all transgressive. You can't do slash with Fuu. She's trad female character doing trad female things with no transgression at all.

But of course, and equally, you can't do slash with Mugen and Jin, because SC is quite clear about the real limits of the male approach. These guys aren't female enough to do slash with because they lack, until the very end, an acceptance of the importance of the emotional connection that makes slash possible. It's not even that they hate each other. Hate can easily be turned to slash. But what can one do with irritation? Damned little.

Fortunately there's always yaoi which doesn't need justification or even much in the way of in character. This is good, because Jin without glasses is too gorgeous to leave unravished. But I ain't going to write it.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 04:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Of course you trust your back to a woman: what reason does she have to betray you?

Hmm.

Briefly, Liza and Roy didn't/don't have a "romance" relationship, and apparently didn't know each other that well. Liza was the only daughter of Roy's alchemy "sensei"; sensei died after he'd told Roy that he'd have to apply to and convince his daughter he was worthy if Roy wanted to know sensei's final research secrets.

So her father left it in Liza's hands whether she would hand over that information. The information is inscribed on her back as an alchemy array tattoo. We got a better view of it a number of chapters previously (set in the present); it does indeed have a large scar obscuring part of it.

She apparently was convinced by Roy's spiel after her father's funeral about using alchemy via the military to "help the people." Apparently she gave him access to her father's research, which in turn enabled him to become the Flame Alchemist (a national alchemist = military title). The two didn't encounter each other again after that until they met coincidentally in Ishbal after a battle, when Roy learned that she'd gone on to join the military as well.

In other words, she'd trusted him with her father's research, and he used it to slaughter large portions of the countryside. So she has lots of reasons to stab him in the back. Then again, by that point she'd been picking off the populace with a rifle herself. Ambiguity galore. They are deeply messed up people.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Umm, OK. So where in the time sequence does this ep happen, with her coming in and him asking her to be the one who guards his back? After they meet in Ishbal, I assume? And where in the sequence does him burning the array come? Before she becomes his buka or after?

(Of course if he asks her to guard his back *after* everything else goes down, it's even better...)
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 05:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. This most recent chapter was the final phase of the Ishbal annihilation. All the troops are being sent home. Hughes points out to Roy that if he's going to make the sorts of countrywide changes he wants, he'll have to be sitting in King Bradley's chair. Roy decides to locate and organize minions (what Lux calls his "Pyramid Scheme of Protection"), first and foremost Liza as backup. Liza asks him to burn the array on her back so that her father's research will be destroyed.

To my mind, one of the terribly interesting aspects of Liza the Eerily Efficient Subordinate has been that -- once in a great while -- we've been presented with a rather odd take on her POV of Roy: in the crosshairs of her riflescope. We've finally gotten a glimpse of the rationale.
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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 01:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Isn't it a little late to be getting rid of the array on her back? Roy already has it and uses it.
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[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 02:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, this ep had him specifically telling her to take him out if he goes bad, so if the wishes of the beloved ambivalent object of interest mean anything, she will.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 08:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I think she'd dutifully deal with him if Roy turned into Bradley Mark II. However, being Subordinate No. 1 seems to have become her sole reason for existing at the moment, which isn't good. I guess we've already seen what happens when the top of her "pyramid" gets lopped off, back in that situation with Lust.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 05:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Phoo. I meant to add that if you want missing chapters, I could provide. Raw or cooked, your choice.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 01:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Umm- thanks but I'll see first if FMA bites me properly this time. The earlier tankoubon didn't particularly. I need strong persuasion to read Japanese from a screen. Still haven't viewed the last Saiyuuki for that reason.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 07:41 pm (UTC)(link)
The schtuff of running eyes. Tan translations into English are also running around; they're (marginally) easier on the eyeballs 'cause they're blown up bigger.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
But scanlations bug me because I want to know what they're *really* saying. (Unless it's DN where I don't want to know what they're really saying because I'm convinced I wouldn't understand it. It was bad enough in English.) Have assembled my eps from October on and shall marathon those as background.

nothing to see here (but I had to say it)

[identity profile] luxetumbra.livejournal.com 2006-07-25 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Whoot, you're reading FMA. :D *happy dance*
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Re: nothing to see here (but I had to say it)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeeek, I meant to thank you for those scan links, but got distracted by Other Things. So typical. ;_;

Thank you very much.

If she's gotten a subscription to the phonebook, then she *must* read everything in it to wring out her money's worth. Now she can't escape.

Re: nothing to see here (but I had to say it)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 08:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Read everything? Tu plaisantes. The curse of the phonebook is that 2/3 of it isn't worth looking at. Though there's this sangokushi in New Shinjuku thing that I may not be able to leave alone because of a masochistic need to keep prodding at Sangokushi name kanji until I know who (some of) these people are. Used to feel the same way about Shinsengumi until three manga iterations of Shinsengumi including an AU one got most people fixed. There are just so many moooore Sangokushi names weep moan.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2006-07-26 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
I have a faint bell ringing; I think it's the female general in the Second Taiki novel who expresses some of the same attitude.

Yes. That's correct, and a character I like a great deal on account of it.

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2006-07-27 11:37 am (UTC)(link)
You know it's very strange. I'm using blogline to read all my LJ at work, and everyone else's lj-cut is displayed with full text, but your lj-cut is always hidden. Do you have some special setting on?

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-07-27 12:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I had IE's 'use my stylesheet' option clicked in order to avoid the lj navigation bars. I've taken it off. Does that help?

[identity profile] paleaswater.livejournal.com 2006-07-28 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
No, that didn't make any difference. Let me play around with mine and maybe I'll figure it out.