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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2005-10-09 11:23 pm
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The weekend to date

(Someone is playing a mazurka on an erhu. Perhaps I'm hallucinating and it's just a lively Chinese tune.)

Two days of blue skies and sun on turning-yellow trees burning amid the semi-uniform green. Smell of coolness, an imagined smell of smoke, the way October has smelled for fifty years.

Chinese Ghost Story is still very much what it ever was, and more importantly what every other costume HK flick I've ever seen has been. Flying bodies, great swathes of material floating after them, grotesque fantasy beings, and sly deadpan humour. (Note that mainland wuxia has one and two as well, three rarely, and four never. IME, of course.) I'll pass over the romantic pop songs as well. Still, more enjoyable than some more recent stuff I've seen. I must track down no.2.

Moved on to the Water Margin based one. I assumed it would be more of gag same- someone on the cover case has blond hair, after all- but to date it's stuffy and slow-moving. None of the three audio options, two of which I can't even identify, seems to be the Chinese the actors are actually speaking, though the first track matches the lip movements closest. Currently this one provides me with the Rosettan pleasure of matching the Chinese subtitles to the English ones in an attempt to find meaning for unknown hanzi. No, there are /no/ limits to my reader's hegemony. I used to read the Japanese subtitles of English movies in Tokyo.

I'm also failing to get into The King's Blades. It's good and interesting, though his unannounced flashbacks and framing devices confuse me more than a little. He could at least have a black border around the flashback sections like that useful convention in manga.

But what gets me most is that Drake is so clearly straight (when I for some reason had thought him gay.) He's so completely and unquestioningly straight that he writes the ultimate male-bonding experience without a hint of slashiness. The m/m mindset would seem to be so foreign to him that he couldn't make a bunch of life-bonded men erotic even if he tried- and to date, wisely, he doesn't try. This must be what that rare beast, the hard-core heterosexual, is like: he Just. Doesn't. Get. It. One feels like applauding. The trick ought to be impossible; there ought to be a hint of consciousness to him, a suggestion of fighting the obvious implications of his settei. There isn't. The implications aren't obvious to him. It's just something his guys do: a business arrangement that can kill them or send them mad if it goes wrong, but that isn't any more erotic than a briefcase or the New Jersey Transit system.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-10-09 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, you are in agreement with the parent on the Water Margin one then. I didn't watch much of it myself, but the English subtitles I saw are not very accurate. ^^; I also read the Chinese subs for English shows, and vice versa. These older movies with both Chinese and English subs are an... interesting... exercise in speed-reading while listening. (No, sometimes Chinese subs don't match the dialogue exactly either.) I can find Chinese Ghost Story 2 if you want, they're not expensive.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 08:03 am (UTC)(link)
I'm cheered that even my baby grasp of Chinese said There's more in those hanzi than ever the English says. (ahem) I press pause myself.

I'd guess CGS2 is probably available for rental if I ask, but will take you up on this if it turns out not. Am interested as to why it got a mention on a GBLT, or whatever the acronym is these days, webpage. (The engineers here have their Lady Godiva Marching Band that was always called the LGMB, which I'm tempted to use occasionally.) Alas that gay webpages have a way of Desperately Seeing Subtext in any and all works, including ones where no really it doesn't exist.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
*coff* people take note of the mis-en-scene, location, cinematography, acting, symbolism and such, I can only see the words.

Hard to say on the subtext, I don't remember anything about the show, which I may or may not have seen, but there are a few other wuxia movies from a certain time period with yuri-ish subtext, if you're interested.

(Links contain SPOILERS)

There's Green Snake (http://www.kungfucinema.com/reviews/greensnake.htm), and another two that are part of a series of novel-to-film adaptations. Swordsman series, story introduced in Swordsman II (http://www.brightlightsfilm.com/31/hk_swordsman1.html), which is sort of slashy, but the main romance takes place in The East is Red (http://www.brigittelin.com/EastIsRed.htm). Let me know if you can't get them, these are obtainable here.

Swordman I (http://www.lovehkfilm.com/reviews/swordsman.htm) is straight wuxia. I vaguely remember it as being good, but there doesn't seem to be an English-subbed version.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2005-10-10 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Is The King's Blades that series where you have trained bodyguards assigned to particular nobles/characters for life? I vaguely remember trying a couple of those. Decent stuff, but didn't really grab me anywhere sensitive.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 07:51 am (UTC)(link)
That's the one. Decent but not grabby. And (pathetic) it ought to grab but won't. Weeps for the loss of a slashy settei.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2005-10-10 02:41 pm (UTC)(link)
(nods) There's... very little of that sort of tension between the characters -- in the ones I read, anyhow.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
(Can't figure out where this will be appropriate and on topic and stuph, so I will put it here.) Was on a clicking binge and read this manga review (http://www.livejournal.com/users/chibiporn/8718.html), and it sounded right up your alley. And voila, you are now linked in case you are interested. (It's on this page, too. (http://www-personal.umich.edu/~weyrbrat/fanfic/anime/mangarecs.html))

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 07:50 am (UTC)(link)
I got as far as the first sentence and read no more for fear of spoilers. Or any info at all because this one I wnat to read on my own. With luck I'll be in NY in a fortnight and can troll both Kinokuniya and Book Off. Without luck I shall be bugging [livejournal.com profile] shiny_monkey. Thank you thank you Sam-I-am!!
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 10:00 am (UTC)(link)
Ah. With second link, you may want to eyeball other recs as well. (E.g., 竜の遺言, about which page owner says, "This series rocks my dragon-centric world.") Like, y'all have interests in common, I infer.

[identity profile] joasakura.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 08:00 am (UTC)(link)
speaking for as one who regularly uses the NJ transit system, wow. what a disturbing analogy. ^.~

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 08:09 am (UTC)(link)
Mh well, I only meant that IME, NJT isn't likely to kill you or send you mad even if you think it ought to. I find it most civilized myself but nothing could be more mundane. Which is how one wants one's transit, after all.

[identity profile] joasakura.livejournal.com 2005-10-10 11:00 am (UTC)(link)
:is uncertain of that, having ridden the train with drunken baseball fans, drunken st. patrick's day revellers, angry crazy people and screaming babies.:

Kill me? ok. maybe not so much. but sending one mad? OH DEFINITELY. Especially if it's a local. ^______^

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