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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2008-06-06 11:37 pm
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Uh, fine.

But when did the continuative form start being called the passive voice?
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[identity profile] summer-queen.livejournal.com 2008-06-07 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
News to me. It's absolutely appropriate to use the examples given (so-and-so was sitting or running) if you're trying to express a past continuous action. The poster doesn't seem to grasp the actual concept of a passive verb.

[identity profile] mmoneurere.livejournal.com 2008-06-07 09:18 am (UTC)(link)
It looks like the oh-so-popular jump from "[x] is generally something to avoid, especially for people still finding their voice and learning the ropes" to "[x] is against The Rules and thus a sign of bad writing."

Though #4 is a pretty good principle.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-07 11:39 am (UTC)(link)
Except that 'I was sitting on the horse' is not the same at all as 'I was sat on by the horse.' You'd think she'd realize.

Certainly, passives are usually best avoided (except that I refuse to avoid them, because I like their magisterial tone.) But by her example I can say 'passives are usually best avoided' as much as I like. It's 'I was avoiding the passive' that's weak. Hnf.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-07 11:42 am (UTC)(link)
Those who can do, shouldn't teach. But I see this confusion a lot at fanfic_rants, where I *expect* to find ignorance. (And people who haven't studied Latin, which is all that fixes English grammar in the heads of some of us.) Somehow the notion has got settled that 'was' is the sign of the passive and therefore you should avoid it.

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2008-06-07 05:13 pm (UTC)(link)
And people who haven't studied Latin, which is all that fixes English grammar in the heads of some of us.
English grammar, French grammar, grammar in general. I'd love to see Latin taught as an elective nation-wide! From what I've heard English grammar isn't really even taught anymore in school. =\

[identity profile] ashoka.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 06:44 am (UTC)(link)
Guess someone should start revising the grammar books.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2008-06-08 12:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Another classicist come to weep with me about Kids These Days, except that the OP is well past kid age.