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flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2006-12-18 10:12 am
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"There is no end to the making of books and much reading is a weariness of the flesh"

Many years ago a friend was moving apartments- this was in the days when people moved every year or two: ah, Youth! Her Czechoslovakian boyfriend- this was in the days when there was a Czechoslovakia, so you know we're going back here- looked at the thirty odd boxes of books and said morosely, "This is the dark side of literacy."

All those people who say 'I never throw books out' or 'Oh no I could never throw a book away no matter how battered it is.' Those people? They haven't been buying books for 40 years and they haven't spent a good chunk of their inheritance on impulse book buying and they especially have not had someone wish ten UPS boxes of manga on them. I have. I did. The results are not pretty.

When I came home from Japan the first thing I did- instinctive grief management- was to impose some order on all my books, which meant taking them from the seven rooms they were scattered through and culling sheep from goats and putting them back on the various bookshelves by category. The goats- the books I wasn't going to read immediately or read again soon or possibly read ever but they might come in handy some day (two thick volumes of Recent Japanese Stage Design? Sources of the Meiji Constitution? Musashi in hardcover?) went into boxes and the boxes went down to the basement where my kind tenants had erected open Ikea shelves to put them on. In the basement already were a box of my grandfather's 1890's French books (the rest, I later discovered, were in the garage where the mice ate them, so at least they served some purpose), my parents' 78 records, and a bunch of ancient family photo albums and scrapbooks from my childhood.

And all was well, and all was well, and all was very very well. At least on the book front. Grief management then inspired me to start lifting linoleum, but that's another story.

Ten and a half years later I'm looking for a particular book that memory says is in the basement. I go through box after box after box, not all of which have slept undisturbed through the years. It isn't there. I go to look at the upstairs bookshelves just in case I left it there. I have a genetic weakness called Johnson Spot Blindness that allows me to look right at the object in question and not see it. So I have to visualize the book as close as I can and then mentally read the titles of books in that range as I'm looking. The book I remember to be a hardcover and not too thick. I read the book titles on the four book cases in my study (east asian everything), the two boxes of books in the corner (mistakenly thought to contain papers), the two bookcases in the middle room (biography and varia), downstairs in the front room (history and goat-manga), the kitchen catch-all bookcase (fat genre paperbacks and unread hardcovers) and even in the bedroom where nonfiction is supposedly not allowed (grammar books excepted.)

I can't find it, and I can't find his other book, so I suppose there's another box somewhere else where there are yet more books, and right now I'm feeling a vague horror and claustrophobia over the sheer numbers. Times like this I think the Buddha was right: possessions weigh the soul. I want half those books out of here and there's nowhere to take them. (Don't suggest bookmooch. I've checked a random sample of what I have against bookmooch and no one wants what I own. Besides, bookmooch is a trade and I don't *want* more books. I want *fewer.*)

I can live with Japanese stage design in my basement. You never know when something like that will come in handy. But I'm starting to wonder if I really need Witchworld on my bedroom shelves, or an analysis of 19th century popular French culture in my living room. Will I ever read Norton again, or the French ever? My reread history hasn't been happy, and the stuff that pleased me in the early 80's has signally failed to live up to the memory. Besides, those early Daw books age badly- paper brittle, binding glue dried out. No second-hand store will buy them; it's a question how long they'll survive as is. Much less will they buy odd fantasy collections from the 70's and 80's with a winner or so and a lot of duds. (Read a couple of those last night. Gave me a vague oppression of soul. 90% of everything is crap, yes.)

We won't even talk about the manga. I have them, there's nowhere to get rid of them, end story. I envision an enormous river of paperbacks, broad as the Ganges, running through the world; and like any river, carrying great wracks of garbage and human waste on its flood. I suppose I can stick some of my dreck acquisitions out for the paper recycle, to be put to some kind of good use. But the rest sit here, weighing my soul; and bonfires, alas, are forbidden in the city. Hell, I don't even have a fireplace.
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[personal profile] incandescens 2006-12-18 04:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I used to have far more rpg books and sourcebooks than I do now. When I was preparing to move up to Leeds, I made an arrangement with the local rpg shop that I could dump my excess stuff on them, to go in their "upper room" where they hosted gaming sessions, and that people could take them in return for a contribution to charity. Since most of the stuff I wanted to dump was out-of-print stuff that they weren't selling anyhow, they were happy to go along with it.

Er, I realise this isn't much use to you. But I do understand the feeling. If not quite to the same degree.

[identity profile] tammylee.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 04:32 pm (UTC)(link)
or an analysis of 19th century popular French culture in my living room.
*_* See, something like that I'd adopt from you in a heartbeat!
(Mostly because I have a script I'm working on that deals with the latter part of that century. Not that a boy's love, romantic horror [very little gore] needs to be terribly accurate I suppose?)

I've told myself no more books until I've got more shelves... *laughs at self* This vacation I'm pruning and putting books up for grab; and as C. has a job for a bit now I'm also splurging on more shelves. =p

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Manga you can get rid of easily on paperbackswap.com, if you're willing to go to the work of shipping them. You don't have to request anything for yourself - you can actually donate the points you accumulate to other people or organizations for them to request books.

Or you could cart things over to the local library, who will most likely sort through them and discard anything they can't use and put most of the rest into their book sale.

I beleive thsoe who say they could never get rid of a book are thsoe who read, like, five books a year, if that. The only way I can control my book collection is by getting rid of large boxes of them at a time.

[identity profile] telophase.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
* ALthough I just realize your userinfo says you're in Canada, so paperbackswap.com is off-limits to you. :D Anyway, you don't *have* to request anything on BookMooch if you don't want to; it works by points, so you can let yours sit there. Of corus,e there's still the hassle and expense of shipping.

I'd go for the local-library option myself, if that's available.

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[identity profile] frema-zhu.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)
We in Moscow have a yardfull of people who throws the books away. Books thus migrate to our apartment. Sorry the people have not manga to throw out, but I got some rare books from there.

[identity profile] ayonoi.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, at least you have shelves. There are piles of books and manga everywhere at the house (not including doujinshi) and I seem to be incapable of letting go of some of my college textbooks (WHY!? I have so many, I was an 19th Century Literature English major!) and I doubt I am just going to start to re-read the Romantic period for the hell of it (well, I make exception for Byron and Shelley).

I sometimes think that I should just put them in boxes and give them to a library. Can you do that? I know that some are ready for recycling but the ones that are not, maybe a donation is in order?

*huggles* Good luck!
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 05:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Sheer curiosity about what's here and what's not here, and what on earth are those piles over there? was one of the primary motivators to start a LibraryThing account, y'know? (this one (http://www.librarything.com/profile/mikeneko)). I'll probably never get all the books in, but the effort has been enlightening so far.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 06:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh dear. I had to let go and sometimes I even left them to the next person as I was moving house to house when I was at Uni....our tiny flat is now groaning under the weight of hubby's collection, my stuffs, and now the children are vying for their own bookspace as well. I keep egging hubby on to write a book so we can afford to live in a house. And have more room for our library, which at the moment is everywhere!

But it's good to have a dream isn't it?

Hubby's parent had an fire in their attic a couple of years ago and water damage solved half the problem for us! ^__^

Again not very useful for you! just adding my story along with others. can't you convert some youngsters to reading more and saying to them here this is a good one! I'm not suggesting you hand your books out to preschoolers...how about their mothers or colleagues.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Our local libraries don't let you dump boxes of books with them. They're currently swamped with would-be givers and require lists. They won't take crumbling thirty year old paperbacks, especially when they have a specialized SFF library with pristine hardcover editions of same. And there's a very limited market up here for Japanese manga of ahem the sort I read.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Those people? They haven't been buying books for 40 years ...

LOL! Some of them have! I married in to one of those families. I've been steadily getting rid of books ever since.

If you take off color pages and covers, books shred into compost quite nicely ... if you have any gardener friends?

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm all for passing books along with the property. It's how I acquired my first Greek-English lexicon, the shorter Liddell and Scott. (Which is still sitting there among the dictionaries and Saiyuuki Gaidens, in easy reach.) "It came with the house"- my parents', back in 1950, along with some picture books in Dutch. (And thereby hangs a tale. The former owners were called Mendel, which was all I knew about them. In university I met a friend of the family who told me they were Dutch Jews who got out of the Netherlands a few steps ahead of the Nazis. Bringing their children's books with them, though the lexicon was probably bought here. And in another twist, we sold the house to a couple called Li, retiring from their medical practice in Indonesia to be close to their grandchildren here. I was talking to Mrs. Dr. Li and asked which dialect of Chinese they spoke- assuming they did because the family's personal names were all Chinese. "Oh, our family's been in Indonesia so long we don't speak Chinese any more." "Oh- then what do you speak at home?" "Dutch, mostly, and some English." Remember, house, from Dutch thou came and to Dutch thou returnest. And now I will shut up.)

But everyone I know already has all the books they want to read, and few of them have any interest in the sources of the Meiji constitution or Hiroshige's pictures of fishes.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 07:57 pm (UTC)(link)
But what was all the kefuffle about entering Japanese books? Does it or doesn't it search amazon.jp and do I want to spend time typing in kanji?

Actually half the fun for me is forgetting I have books and getting to read them again, or read them period. Because the fun of buying books is the buying; the reading part is work.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 08:00 pm (UTC)(link)
40 years of buying books + 'I could never throw a book away' = you *better* have a big house. The Japanese have half the right idea- their books are mostly bunkoubon and take up about 2/3 the space of a regular paperback. Alas, that doesn't work for manga but is probably why they keep issuing bunkoubon manga.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 08:02 pm (UTC)(link)
University textbooks are a special snare and delusion. Though these days I figure all the texts are online anyway if needed, and feel free to chuck my copy of The Fairy Queen. Of course (ominous music) there may not always be an online, and then you're screwed.

[identity profile] takumashii.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 08:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I do believe that you have to enter Japanese books manually, which is the reason my LibraryThing only has the English half of my books catalogued.

[identity profile] takumashii.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
I am as merciless as I can be with my books, and send them off to recycling if I must; but it still feels like way too many as I'm gearing up for the semi-annual move. The English ones can always be re-obtained from some library or another, but as the Japanese ones accumulate I can't avoid a sort of terror that I will need the book someday and not be able to get it again-- or else a feeling that this time I will be virtuous, this book I will not leave unread even if it was too hard or too boring for me the last eight times.

[identity profile] mvrdrk.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 10:43 pm (UTC)(link)
No. LT will let you enter/scan an ISBN for Japanese books and pull the information from amazon.jp. That presumes the book has an ISBN. You can also type the title/author in the search box and it will search amazon.jp for the book.

The part that isn't working yet is LT internal search and matching on UTF8 characters. So no social network, no author or work pages, etc. And on occasion weird things will get combined by accident, like Russian and Japanese texts, but that's uncombine-able.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-12-18 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Like [livejournal.com profile] mvrdrk said, it's doable now. In the past, there had been huge problems with this, but they seem to have worked out many of the bugs. So now it does search on ISBNs, and it transfers the information properly.

But the social/sharing aspect -- where it tells you which/how many other users have that same book -- doesn't function very well for unicode entries. So, sure, that's interesting trivia and all, but I'm mainly interested in keeping track of what's on my shelves for my own purposes.

Anyhoo, you can enter up to 200 books for free by way of trying it out. (But it ought to be properly labeled as an 'addictive site'.)

I go on nutty book grabbing binges, which don't correspond to the nutty book reading binges. Then I go for months w/o even glancing at one. There is no rhyme or reason here.

[identity profile] i-am-zan.livejournal.com 2006-12-19 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
Heheh! There are times I wish I didn't live here and lived nearer some of my overseas friends. I wouldn't mind taking a look , but not worth it with the postage most likely. And fishes. I like fish. Our little kitchen has curtains with fish on. Our living room has curtains with a seashells on them and everytime someone gets me a windchime it's been either whales, dolphins or fish! ^__^


It must be the pirate(paternal) side of me. The side from Boyan which coincidentally has Dutch in it. The maternal Javanese side has Chinese blood in it. Five generations down it is all very diluted now though.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-19 02:10 am (UTC)(link)
And if the book is out of print- does amazon still have it in the database? As in, ten years out of print?

Mhh yeah- it's interesting to see what someone else has but I doubt I'd be interested in finding where the overlap is.

The book-grab binges have slowed a little since I realized I only read maybe 2/3 of the books I buy. Book-off in NY used to be good for 'grab because it looks fun', but last time was a disappointment and, well, amazon.jp has exactly what I want and so far hasn't sent any shipments via Alaska.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2006-12-19 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Oh nonono! Don't send the Japanese books to recycle! Send them to meeeeee!! I'll pay the freight! Potluck non-manga is something I haven't done since my early days in Tokyo and even then it was all (utterly incomprehensible) jidai-mono.
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[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2006-12-19 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that was mainly pertaining to Amazon.jp, which (like Amazon.us) lets people sell used books through the service as well. So any information in their databases for those used books (in or out of print) is also available to you.

As for the other languages, you can pick from different sources. Um, for instance, in English you can search in a variety of libraries, including the U.S. Library of Congress. My personal persnickety note would be that even the LOC can be wrong, wrong, wrong -- as when I have the book right in front of me, and I can see the wrongness. So no computer database is perfect, your mileage may vary, etc.

Mhh yeah- it's interesting to see what someone else has but I doubt I'd be interested in finding where the overlap is.

I've found myself weirdly fascinated by the statistics page, the section that tell you when only ONE other user has a book. And it changes over time . . .

Thing is, I don't tend to be much of an impulse new book buyer. I make certain decisions about what I want to read in advance; then I'll get them in swell foops if I hit a sale (bingeing). Used book sales like library sales . . . well, okay, those are a slightly different matter. Yeep. But still, I don't really get that adventurous -- it's mainly things I recognize as a book or author or subject I'd already been interested in reading.