flemmings: (Default)
flemmings ([personal profile] flemmings) wrote2005-04-27 12:09 pm
Entry tags:

Nothing new beneath the sun, and much reading is a weariness of the flesh

So while vice-Fearless Leader is netless in Hawaii and can't respond, I shall natter about Onmyouji fic.

I want to write an Onmyouji fic. I want to write Yumemakura in English. This should be a piece of cake because all his stories start the same way, by and large. Description of season, where I get to be all nostalgic about Japan's weather. Description of herbage in Seimei's garden which I shall probably skip because Seidensticker's Paradox ('You can only describe Japan to someone who's been there') applies universally to herbage. Giving the western equivalent (daffodils for suisen) misses the reality, and anyway most herbage doesn't have equivalents over here; giving the Japanese name is pointless; giving the Latin, as people are reduced to doing, is beyond pointless. So- unidentified trees are flowering (or shedding leaves), undifferentiated grasses are growing, and Seimei's garden looks less like a garden than a stretch of overgrown wasteland.

Hiromasa and Seimei are sitting on the porch drinking. Seimei is leaning his back against a pillar with one leg drawn up and bringing his jade cup to his red mouth---

--No. I do not like Seimei's red mouth. Never did. And anyway this beginning must be followed by some semi-philosophical conversation about 'magic' and how Hiromasa doesn't understand (or like) it, and by Hiromasa telling Seimei some strange story that happened to Fujiwara no Whatsisface and how this coincidentally ties in with the visitor Seimei has just had or the person Seimei is about to go see which leads to Come, Watson, the game's afoot! 'Will you come?' 'Mh...' 'Will you come?' 'Mhh-umm. I'll come.' 'Let's go.' (That's a guess, by the way. Except for the mhh's it's all the same word, ikimashou, which is usually hortatory but can be future on occasion, and means go except when English would say come, and can be I or you or we depending, because it doesn't have a subject.) This requires me to have a Weird Occurrence to be solved, and I don't.

Besides there's that wasteland in Seimei's garden. The wasteland automatically takes us into Rainy Willow Store and one of the best stories in it, where various people find themselves crossing Musashi Moor at night and meeting two gentlemen having a tea ceremony out in the open by the light of a lantern held by a little Chinese serving boy. There's a middle-aged man who's dressed like the tea master Sen no Rikyuu and an older man with a beard who jokes that he's not a fox spirit no matter what he looks like. The various people share a cup of tea and the little sweeteners that go with it. They leave a gift with the two men. Their lives change subtly for the better afterwards, but that's a minor point. The tea master is indeed a man, because we meet his daughter after his death and learn the secret of the tea ceremony. The other man... we don't know about. He had to leave on some unidentified 'service' "and my father feared they wouldn't meet again while he (father) was alive." Odd that the younger tea master should be the one to die first. And so...

So, well, I've always wanted to write something based on that. So let's say Hiromasa turns up some evening and Seimei isn't there and neither are any of his shikigami, so Hiromasa wanders into the garden and comes across two men having an al fresco drinking party. And who are these two men? Well, pretty obviously one of them is Seimei. And the other is some unidentified... something...

And then we're in 100 Night-travelling Demons and the story where Ritsu, sick in bed, hears voices behind the screen and finds it's his grandfather, long dead in reality, here a young man, gambling with a bunch of youkai for stakes which turn out to be his sister's soul--

--No. I don't want Seimei to be Ritsu's grandfather, even if they're both onmyouji in their fashion. Seimei is a pro: he always knows what he's doing. Ritsu's grandfather was an amateur and sometimes screwed up big time. But y'know, temptation whispers, it would be nice if Seimei weren't so totally untouchable and unmoved all the time and had some feelings about what he was doing... I know movie Seimei did. But I don't quite believe in movie Seimei. And so, Yumemakura's Seimei is drinking out in the wilds with a Something...

Maybe. Perhaps. But you know what I'd like? I'd like an idea that's my own and not stitched together, patchwork quilt-like, from various other people's work. Just for once. Selective borrowing may be the name of the fanfic game, but. But.
incandescens: (Default)

[personal profile] incandescens 2005-04-27 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
It is a bit like pastiching Holmes. How do you pastiche Holmes without borrowing from everything that's gone before, in order to make it properly Holmes? But then what in it is your own, yours?

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-27 06:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Pastiching Holmes to me involves borrowing for all the accidents- the style, the details, the psychology- and inventing your own essence- the actual plot. Ideally the plot will be part pastiche as well, in that it might be something Conan Doyle might have written, but the actual incidents are your own invention.

But what I'm facing here is less pastiche of a single writer- though if I invented my own Weird Occurrence I *would* be pastiching Yumemakura- so much as a series of hommages to various mangaka, without actually having a story of my own for the hommages to occur in.

I'm weirdly reminded of the esthetics of Japanese court verse (and what little I know of Chinese poetry) where invention is not prized as much as working in all the right allusions to all the right classical poems. By that standard referencing RainyWillow and 100Ghosts and hell why not Youko Kurama as well is a virtue; but that's not the standards I'm read by.
ext_8660: A calico cat (mike snooze)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-27 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I spent all day staring at PowerPoint slides. I must take this out on someone. You are handy. Very, very handy. Yes indeed.

Abe and Hiro's Excellent Adventure

"I'm Abe no Semei, Esquire," the youth announced. After a moment, he prompted, "Dude. Now you."

"What?" the other said, "Uh, I'm Minamoto no 'Hiro' Hiromasa!"

"And we're --" they chorused, "-- Wyld Guardyans!"

"Party on, dudes!" squealed the butterfly girl, holding aloft a tiny lamp.

Hiromasa bowed. "That Mitsumushi is a truly bodacious babe from Heian." More seriously, he added, "Although Ugly Magician Dude was cruelly bogus, we were most triumphant."

"But, dude," Abe reminded him, "you were dead. Non-non-heinous."

Seized by sentiment, the two bear-hugged -- then separated posthaste: "Fag!" they chorused happily, pointing at each other.

------
100 words. Exactly. La.

[identity profile] kickinpants.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 07:20 am (UTC)(link)
But writing something in English that isn't that often in English is already stepping out of what-has-been-done. If you're not borrowing plots from other stories (Seimei appears to be doting on a strange...something in his garden, and Hiromasa spies on the scene from behind a screen, totally misunderstands, gets terribly jealous, and stomps off to ask someone else to the Heian Prom...)

I read a lot of WA Japanese fanfics, but it was experimenting with story ideas in English that gave me my own voice. I couldn't fall on the Japanese way of saying something. I had to find the "as-close-to-the-equivalant" as possible in English to keep the characters themselves and also move the story along.

If you want to try it, try it. You never know what will come. A lot of times you can't see what the next word is until just after the word before it is written. :)

[identity profile] kickinpants.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 07:22 am (UTC)(link)
A Bill&Ted send-up of Onmyouji. That's very inspired. :D

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 08:40 am (UTC)(link)
Oh well, fine for some people. Some people can write Onmyouji and pastiche, even if it's not Onmyouji pastiche. Hmpf. (Goes away to cry.)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 08:51 am (UTC)(link)
A lot of times you can't see what the next word is until just after the word before it is written.

How very true. Stories will indeed twist as you write them and end up not merely three stops away from where you thought the terminus was but on another railway line entirely. So however much I intend to plagiarise Hatsu Akiko's plots or Ima Ichiko's, I may wind up writing pure mjj. A cheerful thought.

In which Hiromasa might indeed be put off by Seimei seeming on good terms with a thing in his garden, since in the last story read Hiromasa was utterly nonplussed when Seimei invited him to come visit a lady with him. Visions of threesomes dancing luridly in his head, doubtless; conventional Hiromasa wouldn't be repining at Seimei visiting a woman per se, however much the yaoi eyeglasses may want to see it that way.
ext_8660: A calico cat (mike jeep)

Re: *dies laughing*

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 09:43 am (UTC)(link)
Nooo! Babe from Norwegian! Don't bleed!
ext_8660: A calico cat (mike marysue)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 09:50 am (UTC)(link)
(Fufufu. Oughta spam her with hideous xover drabbles until she is forced to produce Real Fic in self-defense.)
ext_8660: A calico cat (mike wah!)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
Most exceedingly excellent! Write stuff while you're over there, babe from Canadian!

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 10:33 am (UTC)(link)
(smug) X me over with something I know, because I never watched Bill and Ted.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
*happily* If I knew either fandom, I would gladly oblige with an xover of Teletubbies with Onmyouji.

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Oh. Oh. Oh.

Ohh. *But*. Ohhh.

"Qwerty," mjj said, "you are truly indispensible."
Qwerty looked suspicious. "You're making fun of me again."
"Not at all."
"Then why do you say that? I haven't done anything."
"You said the word Teletubbies, that has cast light on the darkness I was in."
"Mmhh. Really?"
"Really."
"Mhhh."
"Will you come?"
"Mhh."
"Will you come?"
"Mhh-hmm. I'll come."
"Then let's go."

You will hear more of this.
ext_8660: A calico cat (paper kitty)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle-K."
Is a classic of silliness and air guitar. (You're allowed to watch frivolous movies, y'know? Dude.)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 04:18 pm (UTC)(link)
My drug of choice is frivolous anime; or frivolous manga, even better. Something quiet, which movies rarely are.

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 08:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ooh. Are you going to do something like a real Teletubbies/Onmyouji xover? Oooh.

*follows like puppy* *waits in happy anticipation*
ext_8660: A calico cat (calico cat kanji)

[identity profile] mikeneko.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
(*psst* I'm placing my bet on horror featuring gaki.)

[identity profile] xsmoonshine.livejournal.com 2005-04-28 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
(*skeered* what sort do you mean? the small yelling ones or the usual hungry ones? former are indeed horrifying...)

[identity profile] flemmings.livejournal.com 2005-04-29 05:32 am (UTC)(link)
Remember that the small yelling ones are what I do for a living. I need only make the secret magic sign of opening the refrigerator and say the secret magic word 'juice' and they shut up like uhh magic.